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CONTENTS

introduction

timeline

interviews
supermax lockup
jailhouse lawyer

long-tern segregation
population

appendix a

appendix b

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“The struggle of people against power is the
struggle of memory against forgetting.”
-Milan Kundera

B very year, the Indiana Department of Corrections is required to
issue 2 comprehensive report on the prison system it administers.
Available at the IDOC website, it places at your fingertips not only a
variety of statistics and facts — that there were 28,885 people held in its
faciliies last year, twice as many s in 1990, or that prisoners in Plain-
feld are employed digitizing GIS map data while Pendleton inmates
are, more traditionally, compelled to build lounge furniure-but also
canned statements from high-ranking administrators and glamor shots
of the well-trimmed lawns outside of the dozen o so major prisons
in the state. But between all that, the hard numbers and the obfusca-
tory luff, there’s a common goal: the effort to progressively organize,
justify, and conceal the reality of the mass imprisonment and torture

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of tens of thousands of human beings. The high ratio of prison lawn
pictures to images of the actual living conditions endured by prisoners,
let alone the prisoners themselves, is a good initial demonstration of
the intentions and priorities of the PR men who drew up this repott.

This book's goalis to be the exact opposite of al that, a counter-report
ona project as long-standing as the IDOC itself: the subversion of the
prison system. However, this project does not have a budget allowing
it 10 issue reports, nor does it have employees or a fixed membership.
Tnstead, it is constituted, year after year, decade after decade, by suc-
cessive generations of prisoners who organize to resist brutality and
exploitation within the prison walls, and by family members and others
on the outside who protest the horrors inflicted by IDOC beneath the
slick images it presents for public consumption.

Due to the informal and broad narure of this project, a comprehensive
summary is impossible, let lone an anaual report. Valiant efforts have
been made to overcome these obstacles, though. Himan Rights Held
Hostage, a newsletter produced during the 1990s through collaboration
between inmates and outside supporters, is an outstanding cxample,
particularly in its contributions to concrete struggles on the inside. The
present book is another collaborative effort between those in struggle
on the inside and on the outside. In this way, not only its intentions
but its means are opposite to those of the IDOC report. Instead of &
cohereat, pretty, and fundamentally dishonest representation, our goal
is to share a messy, complicated and sometimes ugly narative from the
pesspective of the people who live it

‘This book’s method, though, shouldn't be confused with the kind of
“participant-research” popular among some academics and sociolo-
gists. If we expose the violence and contradictions beneath the claims
of the prison administrators, if’s not o tell the “real story” for the
sake of disinterested observers and carcer advancement. Our only
goalis to contribute to the subversion of the prison system by helping
to transmit memories and methods of struggle. We want to develop
complicities of struggle among inmates, between inmates aad sup-
posters outside, and with all those in Indiana who hate confinement
and prison. This book is only a tool toward that end.

While the IDOC? progress can be measured in expeasive buildings
and miles of barbed wire,in the numbers of new guards sworn in, and
the pages of glossy reports, our side’s progress can only be considered
qualitatively: in the relations of power on the cell-block, by the legiti-
‘macy of prison uprisings throughout the wider populace, through the
memories of hardship, isolation and, sometimes, the joy of struggle
and victory against overwhelming odds. This very incomparability is
what allows many to claim that our side, our project of freedom and
the destruction of the prisons, docs not exist. Thei vision s narrowed
unil they can only see numbers, and their judgment impaired until
they trust only glossy pages and lying images. Against the imposing
concrete walls and the coiled razor wire, the guns, tasers and batons of
the guards, and everyone who'd erase decades of struggle and human
experience, we assert here the possibility of memory, the transmission
of experience, and of rebellion.
outside analysis

This piee represents the deas and analyses of varions folks who have been and/
or are currently working on prisoner solidariy ssues—some of them involved

i tbe production of 1his book, ofbers not. A its erus, this piee s attempling

1o ocate some sort of meaningfiuly radical way of engaging in solidarity with
prisoners, of joining in struggle with thems. It diffcult 1o criticize one’s friends, let
alone eriticize onesef This piece bas attempted to take up that challnge, reflect
ing riizaly, though concisey, on the nature of radical prisoner soldarity in an
attempt 1o distill coneete lesons earned and push forward with a new viion of
eo-struggle towards the destruction of prisons] prison sociey.

Some people hete in southern Indiana who'd done “prison activism”
for a few years, and pechaps scen themselves as prison abolitionists,
have been discussing together the current state of anarchist solidarity
and interveation in US prisons. We reviewed various frustrations we
had with our past work, talked to the prisoners we're in touch with, and
tried to read the dim map of possible futures—how could we live in

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a time when every prison uprising is met with common struggle from
the other side of the wall, when we share experiences, analysis, and real
relationships, when prison solidarity s a threat?

From these discussions, we renewed our idea of the project’ to in-
spire, facilitate and support action on the inside and outside against
the prison system/ prison society. We see three obvious focus points at
which t0 begin our intervention.

‘The first, represented in part by this book, is to create a history of
prison rebellion in Indiana and to distribute it on both sides of the
walls. We have asked several prison rebels in the state to share their ex-
pesience and knowledge, researched a timeline of documented revolt,
and gathered our own analysis. Our aim with this part of the project
is to put “prison rebellion” o “rebellion against the prison system”
back into the forefront of people’s thoughts and actions, back into the.
everyday life of folks struggling on the inside, back into the actions of
sadicals on the outside. This information, this history,is hard for us to
know hete on the outside, and, from what we've been told, not many
‘younger prisoners know it cither.

Anything we write or compile, of course, will only be a partial history,
constrained by the very real limitations in place that block the dissemi-
nation of information and sharing of experiences. What we're striving
for here is not some comprehensive account of all struggle in Indiana
prisons, but rather a point from which to start talking about it again,
to zemember the past and move into the future. We hope to continue
gathering personal stories and sharing them amongst ourselves, in an
effort to ever deepen our understanding of the prison/prison society
we live in.

Secondly, we have to develop real and sustainable interactions between
and amongst folks on the inside and outside. This will be articulated
‘mainly by our practice, not explained here; but what we're getting at
is moving beyond the pen-pal model of prisoner support, beyond the

1:.we hate to call it @ projct), as we thinde that coneplualizes it 00 much as
a thing t0 be worked on as opose 1o sometbing to be liwd but well continue
2 ing the word wntil we think of sometbing bester.
one-off letter writing night hosted by a radical group somewhere, be-
yond the walls that stifle communication between prisoners in different
facilities. We aspize to create networks of communication, networks of
support and action, complicity of struggle based on shated goals and
solid comradeship—to beeak down walls of sepasation, wals of silence,
walls of fear that have been built up between people seeking similar

things.

Whille exchanging letters is certainly an important way to get to know
new comeades (sometimes the only way), we need to move beyond the
initial banalities and towards honest communication through which we
can express our political views and ambitions and figure out how we
can genuinely support each other in the struggle to destroy the prison
system/prison society. Whatever material forms this takes may not be
original, but we hope the content will strike closer to the heart of
things than what we've experienced in the past

‘The third aspect of this “project” is mostly based in our own posi-
tions heze on the outside (though it could certainly benefit greatly from
inside/outside collaboration): cxposing and facilitating action against
various manifestations of prison society. It will consist, at least in part,
of putting together concrete catalogues and critiques of police forces,
surveillanee forces, probation forces, citizen snitch organizations, etc.
The intention here is to compile and create materials to distribute
to folks as educational tools from which to take action against these
forces. This action s not dictated by the materials, but rather simply
informed by them.

‘This, t0o, is not a new or unique idea. It does, however, strive to learn
from the mistakes of the past, to avoid the metaphorical and literal
traps inherent in popular education campaigns we've scen happen time
and time again. That is to say, we're not calling for the establishment
of an “anti-police” organization, the formation of another reformist
group licking the boots of city hall, another anarchist recruiting cam-
paign. We're not trying to “convince” anyone, we're not trying to “win
them to our team”, and we're certainly not trying to tell them what to
do. What we're aiming for here is to flood the area with the specific

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knowledge necessary to take calculated, meaningful and secure action
against those forces of oppression towards which an ever-increasing
number of people already harbor a strong hatred.

In the forming of this vision, we reviewed our past experiences and
found much to avoid and learn from. We see this project as a negative
one, as it must negate past forms of support and activism as much as
it does prison itself—not maliciously, as if we didn't believe comrades
genuinely tried, or as if we dida't take partin these actions ousselves—
but 50 we can critically move through and past them.

We are frustrated, for example, by the character of the famous political
prisoner. Here we refer to instances of individual policical prisoners,
whatever that might mean, building (or having built on their behalf)
campaigns that deal with their particular cases, their personalities,
and the particular grievances they might have against prisons or the
“Justice’ system. This isn't to say that these people don't deserve sup-
port—they're our family, and we love them dearly. What frustrates us
about these sorts of campaigas is the necessary individualization or
isolation of this one inmate from the rest of the prisoners, often, if
not structurall, resulting in the denial of a strong critique of the in-
stitutions that control them. That is, mostly these campaigns deal with,
the illegality of one person’s incarceration, not with the plight of the
many prisoners daily engaging in struggle against their conditions, or
the concentrated evil of the prisons themselves. These people become
celebrities or figureheads; anyone can sign a petition or hold a placard
at a rally for them without believing in the furtherance of struggle
on the inside or destruction of prisons in general. We often se these
cases reach towards the lowest common denominator of leftism to
reach their goals.

Similarly, we feel frustrated with the process of defining who is or
who isu't a political prisones. This question, at its core, is trying to
define who is or who isn't deserving of support—in many situations,
a relatively fucked-up thing to ask. It puts some narrow definition of
‘anarchist’ or ‘radical’ above all other considerations. Does this person
(or even worse, does this person's “crime”) show a direct connection
to the politics that we or our groups espouse? No? Well, this person
isn't worth our time then. (This is of course a cold simplification of
the process, but it's nonetheless real). This is problematic: when we de-
cide who to support by deciding whether their original crime was com-
mitted out of a political ideology we think we share, then all prisoners
who don't meet our criteria, no matter what their current politics o
engagement with struggle within any given prison, are left without any
level of material support or solidarity by action. This robs us of any
relevance to prison struggle, and makes our passionate words about
solidarity into a cruel joke.

On the other end from this individualization, this marking off of a
certain individual or classes of prisoners for support, we find those
groups and organizations that offer blanket support in the form of
a-political material resources, given freely to all that ask. This is obvi-
ously important in myriad ways: people gotta read, people gotta cat.
But these groups almost always demand, structurally as a group, a
strict adheence to non-intervention—that is, non-engagement with
the prisoners beyond the surface level of the fulfillment of a social
service. It comes down to only filling packages and mailing resources.
There’s not room for relationship building, there’s not room for dis-
cussion and certainly not for collaboration.

What this solidarity does is o externalize, to privatize some of those
necessary aspects of human incarceration that the state has long sease
abandoned. Being complicit in, being an active member of the con-
tinuation of the prison system is the opposite of what radical solidarity
should mean. Yes, it makes prison more comfortable for people, but at
the end of the day, a comfortable prison is still a prison. We are frus-
trated with the shortsighted, charity-based activism embedded in the
practice of not making the tough choices of what to send out, what
to distribute, how fo relate to people and how to build long lasting
relationships.

This all being said, it should be noted that we do indeed believe that
all prisoners, all capives of the state, deserve our support in their ef-
forts to struggle, to rebel against their captoss, against their conditions,

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in furtherance of destruction of the prison system. We sce this as a
simultaneous move away from and synthesis of the aforementioned
present day forms of prisoner solidarity. That is, we want to support
everyone, to engage with everyone on the level of radical struggle
against prisons, aiding and abetting and taking part ourselves in those
actions which move concretely towards the fall of the prison walls.
(It should be obvious that we retin our agency to not work with 2
particular person, basing that decision on our interactions with them
rather than on what the state claims about them.)

As a reflection of that sentiment and in a move away from the lan-
guage of individualization/collectvization, we refer to all politically
active prisoners as “prison rebels” What we want, what we try to work
towards daily, what we dream about and talk about here in the free
world, is the complete destruction of the prison-industrial complex.
We want to connect with and support everyone on the inside who, in
whatever way they're able and willing, thinks or dreams or acts towards
that as well.

As the people in this project not currently behind bars, we fecl a deep
personal need to move past the futlity of unpaid social work that
serves only to recuperate, against being only a line on an insurance
claim (you know, solidarity through broken windows and shit), past
the awkwardness of preteading race, class, gender and ideological dif-
ferences don't exist between us. We intend instead to work towards
uncovering a common practice between us, something sound enough
o create the acts of solidarity that will make prison guards everywhere
shiver—a hatred of prison strong enough to exist as a real social force.

Thisis how we start again.
timeline

Most of the points on this timeline deal with prison riots and/

or hostage taking. This isn't to say that we believe these actions
are the only or even the most effective manner in which prison
struggles have been manifested in Indiana. This is, rather simply,
a reflection of how information about prisoner struggles gets dis-
semiinated to those on the outside. It's difficult, if not impossible,
to catalog the myriad daily subversive activities in which prison-
ers engage in defiance of their conditions; this is not information
known to the outside world, except to those of us who seek it out in
our personal relationships with prisoners. The events on this time-
line reflect what are scen by the mass media as the most egregious
of ways in which prisoners fight back; we share them knowing full

well that the fight happens every single day of every year.

This timeline was gathered from newspapers and personal sources.
Old accounts were scanned and put online, many others were in
online archives already. The race riots in which whites took the
lead are excluded from this account; while they're obviously worth
remembering for a certain kind of historical perspective, we didn’t
want to come offas glorifying them.

1933:

1945:

1953:

‘Ten prisoners associated with John Dillinger escaped from the
ISP in Michigan City, IN; after recciving guns from the outside,
they held a sheriff and several guards hostage during their at-
tempt.

Later that year, Dillinger was arested, then rescued from prison
by his gang: “...on October 12, gang members converged on
the jail where Dillinger was being held. Pierpont, Makley, and
Russell Clark entered the facility, while Ed Shouse remained
outside a5 2 lookout. The three men confronted Sheriff Jesse
Satbet—in the presence of Deputy Wilbur Sharp and Sarber’s
wife—and stated that they were from Indiana State Prison with
a transfer request for John Dillinger. When the sheriff asked to
sec their credentials, Pierpont shot him in the abdomen. Makley
and one other man then physically assaulted the sheriff, mor-
tally injuring him. They locked the deputy and Sarber's wife in
cell and lef Sarbe for dead while they made their escape.
(Ellensburg Daily Record, Wikipedia, John Dillinger Muscum)

Riot and fire at Fort Benjamin Harrison disciplinary center.
“Tiwo killed, onea prison guard; the fire was set in two different
spots and destroyed nine barracks, then valued at 10,000. The
iot, in which “several hundred” to 1,900 participated, was in
reaction to extra duty imposed because of infractions against
prison rules. Machine guns were fired by guards at inmates.
(Youngstown Vindicator, St. Petersburg Times, Toronto Daily
Staz)

Inmates of the Indiana State Reformatory (now known as
Pendleton Correctional Facility) broke windows, burned mat-
tresses and threw bedding in a day-long demonstration which
neared riot proportions late in the day. (Baltimore Sun)
1956: 1n Pendleton, IN, tower guards at the Indiana State Reforma
tory broke up a prison siot within 10 minutes by turning shot-
guns on the rioters, wounding cight inmates and one prison
guard who was held as a hostage. (Chicago Tribune)

1963:1n Putnamille, IN, 500 rioted over the death of an inmate and
to get drugs from the infirmaty; the riot broken up by state
troopers using birdshot in shorguns. Seven inmates were in-
jured, two escaped. (Fort Scott Tribune)

1966: Politicians openly joke about the frequency of riots in Indiana
prisons, specifically the Girls® School. (Rochester Seatincl)

1966: 25 inmates rioted and set a fire at the Indiana State Prison in
Michigan City, smashing tables and burning down part of the
store house. The warden was struck in the head when he tried

to intervene in the uprising. (Reading Fagle)

1968: Two guards held hostage by 20 prisoners at Michigan City
who wanted to voice complaints about their conditions. They
were permitted to talk to reporters, then released the guards
unharmed after 6.5 hours. (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)

1969: Pendleton, IN: One prisoner (black) shot dead and 46 wounded
afier guards opened fire on ioters in a recreation yard of the
Indiana State Reformatory. Guards said the riot had “racial
overtones.” 15 of the wounded were hospitalized. (St. Peters-
burg Times)

1973: Three hostages were held in a prison riot; three cellblocks were
seized and ten demands were pressed by Indiana convicts. The
cellblocks scized held 900 out of the 1,500 inmates housed in
the prison. The takeover was possibly in solidarity with four
inmates put in solitary after a stabbing The demands partially
concerned changes in mail, food, visiting privileges, and disci-
‘plinary procedures, as well as “an end to blatant racism.” (Press-
Courier, Palm Beach Post) 5
1975:

1979:

1980:

1985:

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‘Two prisoners armed with homemade knives took eight prison
employees hostage for five hours. A few days later, two prison-
ers overwhelmed two guards in the Indiana State Prison and
escaped. They took three hostages, including the warden and
his wife, but were arrested shorly afterwards. (Leader-Post)

27 inmates at the Indiana State Prison had a four-day hunger
strike to demand hot water, medical care, and & general im-
provement in conditions. Their demands were ignored. A
weels later prisoners took three guards hostage, using brokea
broomsticks and a table leg, to press the same demands, but the
hostages were eventually released unharmed. Up to 75 people
were involved in the disturbance. (Toledo Blade)

There was a 16 hour uprising in Indiana State Prison, which
ended without incident after officials agreed to listen to inmate
complaints. 35 iamates took seven hostages in one past of the
building; a second group of 350 inmates barricaded themsclves
into Cellblock C. 120 state troopers took Cellblock C without
incident after the frst group negotiated and released their hos-
tages. The demands included better medical care, individual
review of the cases of the prisoners in the seeuity lockup and
better news coverage of the prison. State Senator John Larson,
while commenting on the riot, said that fout previous riots and
demonstrations at the prison since 1973 had centered on too
little heat, hot water, medical atention, firc safety and recre-
ation. (Lakeland Ledger, Montreal Gazette)

At Pendleton Indiana State Reformatory, a prisoncr named
Lincoln Love was badly beaten beaten by guards, who also used
tear gas in the cellblock. In response, two inmates, John Cole
and Christopher Trotter, fought the guards who beat Love,
stabbing two. They also fought guards in the infirmary, where
Love had been taken, then held three staff members hostage in
a cellblock for 17 hours. 6 guards were hospitalized with stab
wounds; four were in critical condition. The standoff ended
1986:

1987:

1989:

when Department of Corrections agreed to the 22 demands
of the prisoners, including an FBI investigation into abuse by
guards, establishing grievance committce, setting minimum
wages for inmates, allowing prisoners to be politically active
without intimidation or reprisals and ending censorship of all
letters, magazines, and newspapers. At least 100 inmates partici-
pated in what reporters described as “full-scale riot”. Some of
the principle instigators in these actions have spent the last 25
years in solitary confinement isolation units. (Milwaukee Jour-
‘nal, Wikipedia, The Bulletin)

A group of inmates in Cellblock C of the Indiana State Prison
in Michigan City, IN, refused to leave when asked, instead tak-
ing control of the area. They held three guards hostage for
five hours. Concussion bombs and warning shots were used
against them; four guards, two inmates and two “rescuers”
wete injured. Officials decided 10 use force because inmates
were making “unreasonsble” demands and were unwilling to
negotiate. According to the Descret News, “The incident came
just a month after three other prison employees were held by
14 death row inmates complaining about overcrowded condi-
tions at the prison. The hostages were released after 12 houss
when the prisoners were allowed to broadeast their complaints.
A woman reporter from the La-Porte, IN Heralard-Argus was
allowed inside the prison to hear the inmates’ complaints about
two condemned men having to live in each 9 Ya-by-11 cell”
(Toledo Blade, Deseret News)

Inmates stab seven guards and hold three employees hostage
for 17 hours at the Indiana Reformatory. The riot begins after
one inmate is beaten by guards for refusing to vacate his cell
during a weapons shakedown, and tear gas is used in the cell
block.

Reception Diagnostic Center, Phinfield, disturbance. “Offend-
ers take over cell house. Situation resolved by tactical interven-
tion. Emergency squads used chemical agents” (IDOC)

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1991: Plainfield Correctional Facility, disturbance. “Offenders take
over the recreation field. Situation resolved by negotiations”
IDOC)

1991: Prisoners in the MCC at Westville went on hunger strike to ex-
pose their conditions: 23 %2 hours of cell time a day, extremely
cold temperatures, denial of mail, constant bright lighting of
cells, and severely restricted visitations. The announced mini-
mum stay in the unit was three years. Four of the prisoners
continued the strike for 37 days, eating only affter prison officials
obtained a court order allowing them o force-feed the prison-
ers. The huager strikes continued intermittently, one prisoner
cutting off the tip of his inger in protest. In response, guards
brutally beat the prisoners while they were shackled, left pris-
oness in isolation wearing only underwear, and prevented their
lawyers from visiting them. (New York Times)

1992: Correctional Industrial Facility, hostage taking. One offender
takes one staff member hostage. Situation ends when offender
is shot by Special Emergency Response Team marksman.”
(IDOC)

1992:MCC prisoness file over 3,000 grievances in 20 months. They
also conduct numerous hunger strikes and even amputate body
parts in protest, one prisoner mailing his finger to a civil iber-
ties organization. This was partly in an attempt to raise attention
azound the class action lawsuit filed by prisoners against the
DOC for human rights violations; after two years, the attorneys
settled out of court against the will of the prisoners involved.
(Human Rights Held Hostage)

1993:Human Rights Held Hostage, a Indiana prisoner newsletter,
launched. s stated purpose was to “expose the conditions
within Indiana prisons, push for changes in these conditions,
and articulate/propagate the views and interests of prisoners in
general and the revolutionary class of prisoners in particular”

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Ttalso planned to do support campaigas, fundraising, make law-
yers available, and specifically serve New Afrikan prisoners. It
wanted to facilitate communication between prisons and work
to create a statewide movement. At least eight issues were pub-
lished. (Human Rights Held Hostage)

1994: Wabash Valley Correctional Facility, hostage taking “Offender
takes hostage in medical unit using a pen. Situation resolved by
negotiations” (IDOC)

1999: 35 prisoners go on hunger strike at MCC Westville to protest
police brutality, poor medical care, illegal conviction by the
hearing committee, overt racism by white staff, food being
tampered with by staff as retaliation, lack of access to the law
library, and lack of nutritious food. (prisoncensorship.info)

2001: Hundreds of inmates from Indiana riot at a private prison in
Floyd County in southeastern Kentucky, tossing sinks out of
windows and burning their bedding All Floosier inmates were
Iater moved out of the facility, although the IDOC claimed
there was no connection between the riot and the decision to
‘move. (AP, Lexington Herald)

2001:Riot ar Westville Correctional Facility. “Two staff members bar-
sicaded themselves in the officer’s restroom of the control pod
‘when offenders took over the housing unit. 102 inmates are said
to have participated” (IDOC)

2001: Eight “terrorist detainees” went on hunger strike to protest
their detention by INS in an Indiana detention center.

2003:Disturbance at Indiana State Prison; “offenders refused to
lock down on ranges. It was resolved by “tactical intervention”,
emergency squads using chemical agents” (IDOC)

2004:The Pendleton Correctional Facility is put on lockdown for five
‘months after officials learn of inmates’ plans for assaults and

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2004:

2009:

2011:

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escape attemprs, as well as plans for boycotting recreation pe-
tiods on some days, submitting grievances about food portions,
visitation privileges and law library access, and picking days
when everyone in a cell house would show up for breakfast,
which is optional. (Wikipedia)

Indiana Death Row inmates, relocated from Michigan City to
Westville while the Death Row in Michigan City was reaovated,
g0 on hunger strike for two weeks to protest the “flthy and
inhumane” conditions they were forced to endure at Westville.

' Newcastle private prison revolt: inmates from Arizona, picked

for being nonviolent and compliant, refused to wear prison
smocks as sign of rebellion against being moved from Arizona;
a guard tried to cuff three of them and was severely beaten. 500
inmates participated in the rior.

Inmates set fire to mattresses and paper in the courtyard, de-
stroyed furniture and windows and armed themselves with
clubs before the prison was secured, officials said.” (Indianapo-
lis Star)

DOCs analysis: hetps//wwiwin.gov/indeorrection/news/
NCCF_Post_Event_Report_Letterhead_5-23-07.pdf

Three prisoners escaped the ISP in Michigan City, using tunnels
under the prison grounds. (WishTV)

Prisoners in the Secure Housing Uit of Wabash Valley Cor-
rectional Facility stge a multi-day protest in repsonse to the
continuance of a month long total system lockdown. Ranges
were flooded, security cameras covered up and guard stations
pummeled with feces and urine.
Conducting interviews with people in prison is difficult; especially
so when those people are targeted political prisoners spending their
time in supermasx lockup units. There are the obvious problems

with prison censors and other administration whose sole aim is to
disrupt honest communication between people on the inside and
outside, to destroy possibilities of collaboration, to maintain con-
trol over the situation. They present real constraints on what is or
isn't possible and are, for many people for very legitimate reasons, a
force not to be messed with. But there are, of course, ways to sub-
vert censors, to build ties and relationships where honest communi-
cation of ideas is possible.

There is, as well, the added factor of the position of the interviewee

in relation to the interviewer, particularly pertaining to access to

ideas and outlets for our own expression. In our respective posi-

tions twe both have things to say, we both have things we want to

get out, to communicate. These transcripts, however, are hopefilly
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not about the political position of the intervietcer, but rather the
‘woice of the prisoner. The questions are short and simple, in a con-
certed effort to let the experience and analysis of the prisoners come
through in its full force. We'll save our own opinions for separate
writings.

These interviews were conducted throughout 2011 and are, we
think, examples of successful attempts at reaching each other, at
trying to communicate fully. They represent a momentary culmi-
nation of personal relationships and testify to the possibilities that
exist when we start to reach out and build netcworks of communi-
cation and solidarity, not based on political affiliation or personal
Sfulfillment, but rather the common drive to push struggle against
prisons to new levels. The interviews represent varied experiences
‘and opinions, and deal with both historical explanations stretching
over the previous three decades as well as present day analyses.

We have removed names mentioned by the interviewees and re-
placed them with markers such as [Prisoner A].

interview with a comrade in
supermax lockup

Outside Interviewer(O): Can you describe your caly years in prison
and the process of your polificization?

Inside Interviewee(T): I first went to prison at the age of 16 in 1983.
Burglary gone wrong; someone was home. T was with two other guys,
white guys, friends of mine, in an all white neighborhood. And you
know, we was just kids, out drinkin’, gettia’ high, tryin’ to score. When
we got thete, opened the door, the guy was a gun collector, lots of guns
that kind of stuff. A shootout ensued, the homeowner was injured,
setiously injured, and T was given 30 years for attempted robbery. My
codefendant was given 30 years. The other two guys who were in the
car were given different charges, were given deals. I was moved over to
adult court, at the age of 16. And I was given a 30 year sentence, and.

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5o in ‘83 T was handed over to the Department of Corrections, a 16
years kid with a 30 year sentence. I was naive, under the notion that I
was getting ready to get helped. I was getting ready to go to prison, to
change and learn and better myself for society. T say that in the context
of the mainstream ideology that prison was to help me, with counsel-
ors and so forth and so onand that was just not the case.

‘The first place I went to was Westville Correctional Facility, in West-
ville, Indians, which was more so dormitory style housing More of
a youthful population, but you had guys with lfe sentences and gays
that had been down 10, 15, 20 years. T matter of fact, it used to be
‘partly coed, they used to have women there as well. Before that, it used
to be a mental facility. You know, they still had dorms that housed so
called mentally ill prisoners or what have you. Most of these guys was
on drugs; it was common o see them walking the halls in a zombie
like state. It was common o see them walking down the halls, down
what we called the tunnels, cause they was underground, with leather
padded restraints so they couldn't make a fist.

So, when T came in, T was part of an organization, 2 gang, what they
called GD, a soldier, and I claimed my affliation at the time. Most of
the guys I came down with were my age group, they were GD t00. So
we bonded, we clicked. Everybody found someone they compatible
with, bonded over common oppression, you know. Back then, we were
just young, wild and misguided, that’s all I can say to sum it up. And
the COs, their attitude was aggressive. That was my first time with the
overly aggressive, authoritative pig. We went through orientation and
they would talk to us like we was nothis’, you know, and that kinda set
the tone for my incarceration. As a matter of fact, the guys that I came
through with, we got into [if with the COs out the gate. Basically de-
manded a certain amount of respect, and stripped away the legitimacy
of the pig and the consular at the tme...

Back then, there was a lot of reactionary violence, racial violence,
where a lot of the white guys, if they didn’t fight back, they was vic-
tims. It was like the predatory violence, know what I'm sayin'. The
strong survive and the weak don't. And guys was getting raped, young

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guys getting tricked into predatory relationships. There was the gang
bangin’ and extortin’, you know, I went through al that, I was a preda-
tor . You kaow, back then evea though you wasn't gang affiliated, you
represented your city. You know, Gary, South Bend, Indianapolis, Fort
Wayne. And even today, you know, back then Tndianapolis and Gary
would be like the powers of the Indiana Department of Corrections.
1¢s like Russia and the United States. So even those who had organi-
zational affiliations, or gang affiliations, most people would roll with
they cities. So when you had confrontations, it would be like Gary and
South Bend... In matter of fact, that was one of the first tiots I saw,

was Gary and South Bend in 1984, on New Year’s Five as a matter of
fact.

o make a long story short, I ended up being transferred to the State
Prison [in Michigan City, Indiana]. T was sick in bed. OF course, back
then you had to be out of bed by 8 o’clock for count. You couldn't go
back to bed [unti] after 2 o'clock. Something was wrong, my side was
hurting and [ was trying to get medical attention. They were refusing,
Twent back to bed, they came back to try to get me out of bed. And
so1 told my comrade, we about to get up and whup this CO's ass. T'd
had enough with informants and what have you, and that’s what we
did, when the guy came down to get me up, Ijust got up and whupped
his ass, and a couple of snitches. And I went to the hole, and then got
transferred to the State Prison. You know, I was 17, so I would've been
there 8 months, 9 months, and transferred to Michigan City Prison,
where they got death row: You know, ifs the big house.

And coming in as a 17 year old kid, man, and seeing the walls. They
had just murdered a guy up there, from Gaty, in his cell. The adminis-
tration had put a hit out on him and they killed him. And that shook
up the whole Department of Corrections, you know, for the prisoners.
When 1 got there, they were still on lockdown, and [ had to go to the
hole to do my hole time. I go up here and it was like a “litle Beirut”,
There were demonstrations going on, fires going on, guys throwing
whatever. People get pissed over spoiled milk or whatever. They put
mein a cell, right next door o one of my folks, one of my GD broth-
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he was like, “Brother, don't cat that tray when they put that tray in
there, we demonsirating” And I was like “Psh, demonstrating what,
we here in protective custody as prisoners, they feeding us this food.”
So, you know, I was a litle trigger happy, you know didnt want to be
someone’s victim, you know. So I told the guy, when I get through
eating, Tl throw it out there. So T ate and threw the tray out. We got to
throwing stuff, you know, that was actually the first ime I got sprayed
in the face with mace. It was for throwing toilet water on the unit team
‘manager, administrator. It was my first baptismal fire, showing actual
resistance to the pigs.

So1I got sprayed in the face with mace; later they told me to rub some
grease on your face before you start doin’ shit, not afterwards.
experience shows that putting any grease or lotion on your face will infensify the
burn] But that was the order of the day on this uni, it was the lockup
unit called the IVU. At that time we used to come out 10, 12 people at
a time for an hour of recreation and a 15-20 min shower. And there
was rampant violence, you know, violence could manifest at a mo-
ment's notice, whether it was just the pigs, or guys refusing to return
to they cells over a guy not getting medical attention or commissary
or whatever. And there was a lot of prisoner on prisoner violence. So
‘when you came out of your cell, you had to be alert, you had to be on
your Ps and Qs, on your sccurity. You know, that's what I call today. ..
that was boot camp training for us.

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My thinking at the time was T was seeing lots of young guys, not nec-
essarily victimized but exploited by the old heads, by the leadership
of the organization. They was exploiting they sease of loyalty, mak-
ing them do all kinds of backwards reactionary conduct. So I kinda
moved in, and as youth we started organizing for ourselves and going.
in a different direction. And that kinda set the tone for me. T would go
on demonstratiz’, fightin’ the pigs, flooding, destroying cells, whatever,
over whatever issue at the time. And at the time I had met some politi-
cal prisoners, T had met [Prisoner A], who was on death row, [Prisoner
B] and others who were protesting being doubled celled on death row.
And they gave us literature to pass out, political materials of the time.
They thought some seeds might take hold, but when you're young

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you're not really trying to hear that. You got a lot of time, so you
just kinda on what you on; but they was practicing and were able to
develop bonds between each other.

And I would eventually go to population, you know, getting adjusted
to the politics. Trying to learn about my case, meeting other broth-
ers... Even back then, T guess, it was all about cconomics, people
was hustlin’. They were trying to live comfortable in prison, tryin’
to have prison comforts, street comforts, or try to pay they lawyers
or take care of home. Everybody had a hustle, and in order to get
whatever, you had to scratch somebody’s back or whatever. And
that was the economy, that was the bartering system and the politics
flowed around that. And then you had your different communities,
and everybody was kinda cliquish within they groups, although they
might have interacted, you know: And for me, like I said, back then I
was just young and wild, not zeally doing no reading, just hustlin’ and
when necessary combatin’ against the pigs.

Onceyou gotidentified they put you in what they called transit, where
you would be moved joint to joint, instifution to institution. And a
Iot of guys, who was older than me, who had been struggling within
the system, brothers like [Priioner (] who spearheaded rebellion in
Pendleton in ‘85 or [Priwner D] who was also a pat of rebellion.
They were political, they were being politicized, they were active, and
they was settin’ the tone on a lot of levels. And they would keep these
guys housed, like they do us now, in these AS [administrative segrega-
tion] unis. And 50, as I was going into lockup, I started runaing into
guys like this who had libraies. Back then you got to have 200-300
books, you know, pretty much on anything, They had these libraries
on these units, and you locked down all day, you ain't got no TV, all
you've got to do is read and exercise or whatever.

And thats what 1 did. T took advantage of those guys’ ibrasies and
started readin’. One of the first pieces I read that changed my life
was George Jackson's Sokdad Brother. And reading that book, read-
ing George's words and looking out between these bars and seeing
in reality was he was writing on paper, you know what I'm syin,
that was a powerful thing, that was educational. Tt changed my life,
‘man, it moved me in a different direction. A lot of my development
centered around George’s ideologies. And once I started becoming
politicized, I started doing the study groups and networking and so
forth and so on.

0:Can you talk a litle bit more about the study groups and the net-
working?

I: The groups were guys on the unit... the thing about the movement
‘back in the day was we always had some type of programs going
On the units, we might have spelling contests, we might have just
history programs, or what have you. The POW journals were really
instrumental in transforming a lot of our criminal mentalities, and
other political journals. And we would have tests on each journal,
you know, multiple choice tests. And dudes would grade them, then
pass out books to read or do book reports on or whatever. Back
then, approved prisoner organizations, the Department of Cotrec-
tions allowed prisoners to pretty much run them as long as they had
a sponsor. Some of these groups, these organizations would run
tournaments that was progressive in nature for those of us who
wete politically conscious.

Most of us guys on these units, we would do, you know, the library
thing or the study group thing Fven during our recreation, you
know, when we could be playing basketball or whatever, we would
have study groups. It might be 10 guys, 15 guys, or whatever, and we
out there dialogin’ and goin’ over the journals. And we developed
political relationships. And really, for a lot of folks, for guys like
myself, it was helpful for weeding out our cadre; finding the guys
that was a litle more committed, that was hungry, you know. And a
ot of these gays who were former gang bangers, for lack of a bet-
ter terminology, once they started understanding the nature of our
oppression, the colonial contradiction, why our lives is ke they is
and why we feel so powerless, a lot of these guys made a qualitative
Ieap and a commitment o & more radical and progressive politics.
Putting together the pieces of that puzzle, you know. I¢s really like

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the concept of leaderless resistance, where each individual clevates
themselves and really becomes cadse material.

And as you move around, there’s the contaminatin’ effect, and that’s
how a lot of political activity really manifested in Indiana. And the
DOC really aided and assisted with the transit concep, because by
moving us every 60, 80, 90 days or 6 months or whatever, from
institution to institution, all they did was allowed us to spread the

gospel

O:What sort of a time period was this? This was the late 80s youre
talking about?

T: Yeah, this was the mid to late 80s.

0:S0 how did this study group and consciousness-raising activities
sort of lead into more...

T: More formal resistance? I’ just like I said, and some guys will take
issue with this, but 1 always like to say the prison itself is broke
down into class contradictions, man. We have our own internal class
contradictions. I mean, we all oppressed and we all captives or what
have you, but there’s a pecking order in terms of class. I mean, you
got the guy who might not have a GED so he can't get certain jobs,
ot e don't have outside support or a family structure, he might not
even have a TV in his cell or he living off the state, in terms of hy-
giene—whatever they give you. Then you got the guy with support
out there, he's privileged in terms of material support and visits and
50 on. And then you got the guy that’s just a hustler. He just in here
doing his thing, whatever.

Thea you got the political movements, that run along different
policical lines. You got the African Internationalist who embrace
the African Socialist Party concept, you had the New Afrikan In-
dependence movement, you had the Revolutionary Communist
Party, guys that embrace the Bob Avakian line. And all these groups,
while they're not hostile to each other, they'te rotating in their own
spheres, 5o to speak. And within that mix you have the age differ-
ence; guys that had been down 15-20 years, the old Gs or the elders,
that had a certain amount of authority or prestge, and they was
ultimately challenged by the younger generation coming up.

So you had all that going on, and through a process of what I called
class warfare, where the guys that I called “neo-colonialist”, who
bad been down 2 long time and had certain positions of power
and prestige with the administration, were allowed a certain amount
of latitude, and in my opinion had become comfortable in prison.
‘They had become complacent towards a lot of the brutality and
other shit that was going on, whereas a lot of guys in my generation
wete coming up and challenging that. The model was fall in line or
get run over!

So over time, through addsessing certain issues or certain violations
that the DOC was puttin’ down ot certain attacks that certain mem-
bers of the DOC would carry out against various prisoners, we
started responding to that militarily and politially. Politically in the
forms of anonymous fiyer ot anonymous leaflet; you know, a lot
of guys would go fo rec and come back and find a leaflet or fiyer
on they bed, calling for unity across racial lines and other lines, you
know: And they might not have known for sure who was doing
it, but they could've said it was coming from these guys or those
guys. And, you know, we had enough respect amongst prisoners in
general that we could cross certain lines; you know, T could go talk
10 the Aryans or go alk to the bikers or any organization within the
institution and my word gonna be my bond. If I come, you know
its not about no bullshit or a joke, you know, I get my respeet,
but I bridged a lot of gaps. Even when reactionary conduct would
manifest itself, just by standing on principle. You know, we had a
policy against rape. It don't matter who you s or who you doin’ it
to, what your reputation supposed to be, you ain't doin’ that over
here. And we dida't discriminate. And that gave us a certain amount
of respect and credibility from the rest of the prison population.
So when calls came for certain kinds of unity or unity in action, you
could ge that.

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O:Could you tall about specific struggles that you were involved in, o
ways that this political education manifested itself in certain notable
events or notable examples of this type of unity?

I: Right, one good example would be the hunger strikes at the MCC.
Which really was a turning point for political prisoners in Indiana.
We had turned into a new era, as we were able to start cultivating
outside support. Which, you know, I think in some ways, on one
Tevel or another, had always existed, but at that time it went through
some leaps, the outside/inside unity. When the MCC first opened,
it was the State of Indiana’s response to the transit situation; you
know, not having anywhere to put all they bad apples. The leadet-
ship, the guys that was influential or whatever, when it first opened,
that's who went. The guys who was political prisoners, the leaders,
the guys with tremendous influence throughout the system, or es-
cape artists.

Tt was the typical, modern day slave-breaking station. That's what
the whole concept was, we gettin’ ready to break you. From the sec-
ond they opened the door, the situation was hostile, aggressive, take
10 prisoners, hands-on approach, coming in the door. And they
hited as warden over the prisoners, the guy who not only had an axe
to grind, but was totally unqualified. And they knew that, they set
him in there as a fall guy, you know, to set the tone. And we got in
there, they was moving us all in or whatever, we were in a situation
where we coulda't respond violently. And some dudes, that’s al they
knew, aad they tried to respond violently, but they was crushed.
We were in a situation of total control. So I came up with the idea
of a hunger strike, when I first got there, cause that was the only
alternative I saw for us to organize and respond on a collective level.

And, 50 um, there was written on a note trying to pass on to another
comrade, and in the note... they was beatin’ a lot of guys, jumpin’ a
ot of guys for no reason..and in the note I was like, look, we need
to form some kinda unity here. We need some structure to take up
this issue. You know, a lot of these pigs jumpin’ a lot of us, we need

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to make an example out of ‘em; find a way to penetrate they security
and make an example out of ‘em, let ‘em know that we ain't gonna be
sitting there allowing them to individually beat on us and so on and so
forth. And so I outlined some points for a hunger strike. Well, needless
to say, when T went out on the floor to go to rec, they went in there
and searched my cell and found the note. So I was moved to another
area of the prison, that hada't even been opened up yet I was on 56-
man pod all by myself. Then they moved a dude named [Prisner A, a
white dude, who I had known for a long time, they moved him into the
building So we the only two people on this whole pod, cell block area

And they had a pig sittin’ outside our cell doots with 2 goddama baton
24 houss a day. But, you know, we was corrupting these pigs, you know.
Cause what they do is take these pigs and show them these training
&lms about these guys is dangerous, they the worst of the worst, you
cain't trust ‘em and theyll kil you in a heartbeat. They fed them all of
this propaganda. And these pigs coming in here, they interacting with
us, they see a whole nother flavor. And while you got those that have
lost touch with all sense of humanity, they oppressive to what, but
those that stil have a sense of self, of humanity, they responded. And
Twas able to talk to them about some ideas.

So I came up with the idea: why don't we try to organize a hunger
strike commemorating Attica? And so I organized the political aspect
of it,and [Prisoner EJ, he was a jailhouse lawyer, he handled the legal as-
pecs of it. And so that's what we did, we sat there and drafted up, what
T think was, um, 19 demands. And it just so happened that something
happened in the other area of the prison and they had to move all the
guys down to where we was at. That allowed us to communicate with
all the other guys. And the concept was that on such and such a day, we
want everybody to refuse to eat. And we going to try to do it at least
30 days, until they get a coust order to force feed us. In the meantime,
we was tzying to organize people on the streets to hold press confer-
ences for us, to get the information out, to contact radio stations and
whatnot. And there was a lady by the name of [Outside Sipporter A),
out of South Bend, who had already been doing some work in the
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with, and I had written her about this.

So, to make a long story shor, we started out with about 40 guys on
the hunger stike. They was sort of taken aback by the seriousness of
it, but the unified action, because we not supposed to even be able to
communicate. But they blew it off as a joke, they dismissed it. The first
five or six days went on and people started dropping off. We would
eveatually go down to a core group of about 15 guys. So when the
information started getting out, they moved us, they tried to isolate us.
‘Which was actually a big mistake, cause it allowed us to not only inspire
on anothes, but to feed off of one another. This made us stronger.
But the warden, he was so reactionary, he would come through there
and he would antagonize, verbally abuse individual prisoners with such
distespect and unprofessionalism. And all that would just add fuel o
the fire. And then their goon squad would take us out, make us go out
there and let them take our vitals. But all of the abuse, all of the repres-
sion they poured on us just made us stronger, made us determined to
go another day.

It was the first time T had ever been on hunger strike. And at first we
weren't drinking water, but it was hurting s and we didn't realize. So
the second or third day we started drinking water. And it went on and
on, and after the 10th or 15th day, it was all in the press, we were get-
ting a lot of media; people was holding rallies to support us and what
not. So then they tried to divide and conquer. They put some of us out
by ourselves, spread all of us around, to isolate us and to break us. But
we was still going pretty strong. Then I slipped up and made a tactical
error. When doing an interview over the phone, with the newspape, I
had stated that we were going to go at least 30 days. Which allowed the
DOC to gauge how long we were going to go.

And they waited us out, then, where we probably would have broken
long before the 30 day period. But they waited us out, and when
theyd seen that guys were going beyond the 30 days, they waited us
outanother week, to the 37th day, before they started getting the court
orders and what not. Myself, my first hunger strike [ went 18 days, the
second one I went 21 days. But what came out of this was a sense of

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accomplishment. Guys were motivated and inspired to “tise to the
occasion.”

You know, at the time, one strategy was everybody file a lawsuit;
even if you don't know how to keep it going, just get it filed. So
you know, we doin” that, filin’ motions for guys, gays that ain't never
thought of picking up 2 law book. So we clogged up the court
system. And then, the DOC policy was that if you had less than $30
in your account, they had to copy, make as many copies as you want,
as long as it was legal stuff. So if T filed a suit, and T got ten COs
as defendants, that’s ten copies of the motions and so forth... you
know what P'm sayin’. Another thing we did was we were organizing
in each section, where we was taking votes on anything that dealt
with evergbody. And it didn’t matter what your affliation was, what
your race was, we were able to have discussions. And we would
write articles, get articles in regarding our struggles, read the articles
out over the range and have discussions.

And this went on for years. And, you know, the flip side of that was.
that it allowed us to work with outside groups with radical lawyers
and what have you, to aid and assist us. It allowed inside/outside
relationships principled, political relationships o be cultivated and
developed. And this eventually spilled over to some of the work
being done around the anti-death penalty work.

And something that people don't talk about much, is that one of
the principle reasons the DOC gave in, caved in on MCC was that
the destabilization and protests there was starting to have notice-
able effects in other prisons in the state. You had lots of acts of
solidasity that were unfolding in othes prisons tha were in support
of what we were doing. And some of us had actually sent calls to
guys in other prisons saying “hey we need some support down here,
we need some help down here” And so the DOC realized they were
getting ready to have a state wide crisis on their hands. There was a
non-violent actions at Pendleton, a non-violent march at Pendleton,
and as a response they locked them down for 9 months. So it was
catching, it was like a prairie fire.

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It educated a lot of people, it politicized a lot of people and pushed
alot of guys off into new directions of political development.

Sojust to be clear, we're talking about the early to mid-90s, right?
Yea, we're talking about 91-92.

Sowhat sort of long term effects have you seen stemming from the

: development of these struggles in 91-92? How did it go on from

there? What were the lasting effects of the relationships that were
built between the outside and inside or amongst differcat prisoners
at different institutions?

T mean, T would say now, that back then T think there was a degree

i of romanticism on both sides, on the inside and outside. And T

think 2 lot of people on the outside had their own agendas. And
thac's one of the reasons we don't have structures or institutions out
there today in Tndiana like you do in some other places. We did't
have a real radical ot revolutionary inside/outside relationship that
wasn't based on liberalism. But like I say I think for a lot of people
it was sort of an on the job training thing. You still going through
developments just like people on the outside, and you tryin' to navi-
gate around the state to build real principled relationships.

As faras other events,like I said, a lot of that sparked the resistance
0 the use of the death penalty in Indiana. It brought out more
solidarity and support for the brothers over thete on death row
and increased our understanding of some of the stuff they was
dealin’ with. And it brought up some of the stuff they was dealin’
with down at Pendleton, the racial situations. But what the state’s
response was they started pushing a lot of people out of prison;
they started parolin’ guys, they started isolatin’ others more. And
10 a certain extent it helped to undermine the movement that was
being created.

What was the process that developed that stamped out that sense
0: of uaity that being developed?

Well, you know, you always got the high tide and the low tide, the
1: back and forth. Tt was a combination of factors, you know, some

gays got out, some of the leadership.
‘Was that an explict thing that was done as a maneuver of the state?

T think so. They had stasted paroling a lot of the “old guard”, they

I: guys locked up since the 70s, they started going in front of the
parole boards and were getting out. And also they started moving a
ot of these old heads, who had been in the maximum secusity situ-
ations behind the walls, they started moving them out to the lesser
security prisons, what we call the kiddie camps and started bringing
some of the younger guys up and putting them behind the walls.
And so what they did was allowed a vacuum to be filed. And a lot
of these guys come in, they don't know the history of the prison,
the struggles that had happened and the sacrifices made, and so the
administration was able to impose a lot of things that the new guys
didn't know how to struggle against.

‘They implemented what they called controlled movement, where
they tightened up on one’s ability to move around. Then they started
10 tighten up internal security, putting up a lot of gates and fences,
securing different areas; cutting down a bunch of larger areas into
a bunch of smaller arcas, which gave them better control. It was a
systematic approach, you know, COINTELPRO behind the walls;
some guys became discouraged, some became more isolated, put-
ting them on the SHU [Secure Housing Unit), isolating them on
the SHU, some became disenchanted when things didn't develop

on the streets the way we thought they mighr, that was discouraging
as well

So, really, there was a combination of factors. And then they
younger prisoners coming in also.. when I went to prison, the crack
epidemic hadn't hit the communities yet, the drug economy as we
know it today hadn't really started to flourish... s0 by the mid-90s

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on, population started being filled with guys that might have been
in the game, hustlers and what not, and that started o manifest
itsclf in the prisons as well. Coming up for me, it was taboo to
do the hard drugs. T mean, you always had the weed and the alco-
hol, but the cocaine, the smokin’ and the snortin’ and the heroin
and whatnot, for me coming up that was taboo. Whereas now, it
almost like you a virgin if you haven't done it. And is rampant.
And, so now, instead of politics being in command, its economics;
peoples’ relationships started being defined by their relationship to
that drug economy.

And at the same time, the administration allowed a lot of the right
wing groups to become more entrenched, to being to flourish. So
allthese type of things going on, and politics and struggle... mean,
you still got your Kwanzaa and Black August or whatever that guys
celebrate, but, like T say, we're a dying breed.

And they did other things t0o, you know, they brought BET into
the prisons, they started allowing females to work inside the walls.
Which, in my opinion, were two of the worst things that they
could've ever did. With the women, all of the sexual politics around
that and the relationships that were being developed. As well as the
fact that a lot of them were used as infilirators. Theyd come to
guys, use their femininity and get information.

And on the other side with the BET with the videos and the music
and 5o forth... not that I'm opposed to hip-hop and all that... but it
distracted dudes, it got people tied up in that nonsense as opposed
t0 pickin’ up a book or what have you. And the administration has
manipulated that, they played on if, they used it to their advantage.
And guys like myself, people who they think might be capable of
organizing something or spearheading something they keep isolat-
ing,

What sort of things do you see happening today? What are some

: of the positives and negatives that you see? And what's your analy-

sis of how things might change to move in a diffecent direction?
T think a few things thar’s going to reverse some of the trends that
going on in Indiana’s prisons now, you know, apathy.. I think there
are going to be things developing out of spontancous events, you
know, like a traffic stop in a neighborhood that become brutal, and
out of situations like that, other things will develop where guys will
become more serious in thinking about things that we want to get
out of being behind these walls. That's one of the few ways I see
outside support...

You know, you got guys that's quietly cultivarin’ relationships, qui-
etly working amongst guys that show interest to develop some con-
sciousness or what. Cause you know now, the old days, the old ways
of being able to engage verbally for hours over different poliics,
now you have the guy next door writing down every damn thing
you say, if not recording it, and turning it into internal affairs. So a
lot of the methods you utilized back then, you can't utilize today.
And its going to take some of these guys in some of these street
organizations to infiltrate their organization and try to push it forth
in 2 more positive direction. It gonna require some serious house
dleaning...I don' really know the answer to that. Its a daunting task;
its not that m saying it can't be done, cause it can be done, butits
going to take a lot more inside/outside support and networking,
man, guys in here to commit to engage in serious struggles. And
sight now, the State don't respect us cause they figure we're weak,
that we don't have outside support. Theres no real exposure to
the crimes they're committing, and so it has emboldened them to
become more aggressive in doing what they do.

In terms of the outside support that you see as being integral to
O: this, what sort of stuff ate you falking about?

Even back then, with the work that Human Rights Held Hostage was
T: doing, we had a voice. It allowed guys a voice, it allowed guys to
read materials from they peers and so on. It was inspirational and
it motivated people fo do things. And T see actions as educational
tools. You know, like they just did up in Madison around the union

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busting and so forth... Like some of the shit they be doin’ on the
SHU, some of these murders, these mysterious suicides that have
beea going on in Indiana the past 4 or 5 years, there’s no outcry,
there’s no moral outcry or putting the DOC on the defense. That's
one of the things that we were really productive and good at, was
keeping the DOC on the defense. Making them explain theyself,
making them justify themself for the shit they try to doin the dark.
And it forced them to come to the table.

Twill say this in terms of outside support... You got a lot of young
dudes here that got a lot of time. They're looking for some mean-
ing to their life; they're rebellious, but for the wrong reasons, they
just looking for some direction. A lot of times, if they don't fecl
hopeless or by theyselves, if they feel like they got people on the.
streets that willing to support them in their activities, actions, and
struggles, a lot of times that motivates one and inspires one to get
involved in things. But when someone comes at them weak, just
like a dope boy they hustling, you try to give them a book, they
like “T'm tryin to get some money, I got lawyers to pay” and you
ain't got no alternative to offer, they ain't tryin’ to heat it. Its the
same thing in here with the grievance and whatnor, they don't see
00 reward in it, they don't support it. And the way that the DOC
operates now, you stick your head up they make an example for
the rest. Tt the whole concept of trying to force other prisoners to
police one another

Do you fel like concrete actions taken against prison society would

: be things that ae inspiring to folks on the inside?

Absolutely. Even if it’s just visual support, you know. A lot of guys

: in here, they feel isolated or alone, and because we so closed off in

terms of information outside of the media and whatever publica-
tions come through, we can oaly believe there’s nothin’ going on
out there. You know, people bullshittin’ i, they not serious, blah
blah blah. That's why the publication #SiruggleMag..1 get that and T
circulate that t0 a lot of guys and they're like “damn, I didn't even
know that was going on,” reading about some of the action that is
going on around political prisoners.

When you see some kind of visual support, some kind of action, you
know, sometimes in education actions speak louder than words. It in-
spies folks to get they house in order, o get serious about certain
things, you know. And in terms of the DOC as a whole... Itk like
this unit, man, people do so much blatant disrespectful and oppressive
shit to us; you know, they done killed people back there, they beatin’
people. And it’s because they’re comfortable, you know, they think
“Pm going do this shit and then go home and play with my kids and
whatnot, and there are no consequences for what I do” If there were
just some actions, you know, you would sce a whole different attitude
in what's going on back there. And I say that from personal experience.

And T done been in situations at ISP o Pendleton where there might
be some demands made anonymously, there might be some military
actions taken and they might find some pigs here or there split, ou
know, an action taken against a known tesrorist pig. And the whole
attitude for all the pigs of the whole camp changes. Cause now s real
for you, its no longer the theory and other shit. And in terms of the
other guys who s always the naysayers, you know, we can'c. there ain't
going to be any unity, these guys ain't going to support that, you know,
it takes away that argament. It becomes “what are you going to do?”,
why are you always talking about what someone clse is or isn't going
to do.

You know, like I said I haven't been in population since ‘03, man. And
the last 2 years that [ was in population, at least in Pendleton anyways,
was economics in command, not politics. And it wasn't a high tide
in terms of politicization or what have you. However, you had a lot of
youth that if I was to say “Hey man, lets go do this or lets go do that”,
or “let’s go take over the prison”, I probably could've gotten 30-40
individuals to go and do that with me. You got guys that will support
military action, but the thing about it is they don’t have any politics.
And the thing about that is, of that 30 o 40, when the shit hits the
fan and the smoke clears, you're probably going to have 20 of them
testifying against you. You know, cause there’s no commitment to an

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ideology ot higher principle that they standing on.

And 5o, 1 can't really speak on that, and I don' think that... I think that
outside support would be educational and would lead a heavy hand
towards us getting together, making our jobs casier and being able to
do some action or some politicization or what have you. But right now
man, dudes just hustlin’. You asked me an important question in your
st letter about that, and I got...I got mixed emotions on it. You asked
“what role can hustlin” play in terms or building or supporting this o
that. 1 don't have a concrete or firm position on that.

It real issue, I mean... P not opposed to... | mean, here’s my thing,
you know I got partners, man, some of my guys, most of the guys
that T roll with, T done did time with. Guys that T got history with, that
had been 10, 20 years in the penitentiary and I've seen what they're
made of. So I got this circle, including folks in the community that 've
met. And, when I was out, we would have meetings over at my house,
and we would be 15, 20 individuals. Everybody had did time, most
10 less than 10 years. And everybody wasn't revolutionary; you just
had some dudes that was good dudes, some dudes that was just solid,
some square 9-Sers, some dudes that was in the gangs. But everybody
there was working to reach back to aid and assist dudes that was stll
locked down. And so I dos’t see it as black and white; you know, on
the one hand you got guys out there that may be political or conscious
on some levels but they in the game, they just hustlin in there doin’
they thing. And the argument is always “wel, I'm gonna get in, get
whatever and get out,” but I've yet fo see a simation where guys get in
and accomplish what they want and move on, usually they get caught
up in the game cause they still got those bourgie value and aspirations
and chasing the 50 called American Dream or whatever.

And so there’s a fine line there. And for me, from my perspective, that's
always beea the route of least resistance. Because just as casily as you
can be out there hustlin’ that’s easy, you get out there and form a cadre
and take it to the person that’ really responsible for you oppression,
who's got his foot on your neck, reap the same rewards without violat-
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with slingin’ in your community or whatever and contribute to the
genocide of your own instead of going at the oppressor, to me that
tells me that you stll recognize, in some ways, the legitimacy of
the state, that you stillfear the state. Cause otherwise why wouldn’t
you just take it to the motherfucka that got they foot on your neck?
So, like I said, it a hard and complex question. Not everyone can
take it to the state in that regard. Some people just got to do what
they got to do to put food on they table, you know what I'm sayia’.
50,1 don't know. And in here we deal with, whether its tobacco or
weed or some of us got lawyers to pay or families to still take care
of...and the same way with phones, you got cell phones in here
selling for $800-1000 each. So, politicall, you in here sellin’ phones
o hustlin’ phones, and you got some guy whose family is working
class or whateves, strugglin’, and you sell him a phone, a $10,$20 or
$50 phone for $800, are you being a capitalist, aze you being super-
exploitative? There's a whole lot of questions like that.

In terms of inside/outside support,in your opinion how far should
u push your own politics s an outside supporter to peaple on
the inside? How far do you push that in terms of asserting your
own position or how much do you mute your own position when
working with people on the inside?

T think today more so one needs to be vigiant against opportun-

ism, against people having their own personal agendas. Which goes
both ways, cause you got the newsletters for prisoners, its like the
they poverty pimps, you know, and you got prison groupies just like
you got anywhere else. And then you got prisoners that got they
own agendas and aren't really committed to genuine revolutionary
struggle. Then you got guys in here that aze doing polities cause
this is just how they oy time, you know this just what they doin’;
they're not really committed to struggling or fighting for a new
society, they haver’t made that qualiative leap and commitment to
getting out and contributing to the overall struggle

Personally, T fecl, that in terms of inside/outside relationships,
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some sort of mutual responsibility. T don't think that... I mean, you
got people that saying they working or speaking for polifical prisoners
interests, but I think it needs to be based on a genuine working rela-
tionship. Cause sometimes you have people who have a tendency to
say that they represent us, and they haven't done time and they don’t
include us in terms of decisions o analysis or conclusions that theyre
coming to. 1¢s almost like a paternalism, a paternal type of relation-
ship. We don't need that! It like, we don't know everything behind
these walls, we in here studying and what not, but we haven't beea on
the streets in 15, 20 years out there in that reality. You guys are out
there; y'all got boots on the ground. And therefore your perspective
and vision is important o us; just as we deal with our reality in hete
and our perspective and vision must be important to and respected by
you, and incorporated. I think there needs to be lines drawn, organiza-
tional lines, in terms of whether you going to be helping guys on they
individual cases. What's going to be the criteria you have for choosing
who you helping on they individual cases? What's your line in terms of
pessonal relationships? I think an organization should have a concrete
policy in terms of male/female relationships across these wall. Cause,
speaking again from personal experiences, sometimes that can cloud
judgements and push things in directions that is really not good for
the overall collective. So it depends on what the mission of the orga-
nization is. And, T mean, we human, and so sometimes you can't help
developing some types of personal relationships or what have you. But
again, I think you have to be vigilant of it, you have to be conscious of
it, it has to be dealt with above the table, you know what I'm saying?

You got to try to cultivate healthy type relationships, man. I mean,
for myself for example, I got comades that reached out to me, in my
carly stages of development when we was out here really bangin’ with
these people. And they was supportive and have been supportive, and
over the years we built genuine comradeship where it was like “Dude,
1 would die for you, T would kill for you, I know you got my back”
know what P'im sayin’. And here it is 20 years later, and we're sl solid.
And that's how if’s supposed to be, i’ a healthy relationship. But in
terms of like support groups or whatever, a lot of times the underly-
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really addressed. I mean, we comin’ from a position where we in need,
where we in need of support or solidarity or whatever. You all are
in a position of privilege because you're on the other side of these
walls in minimum security. There’s a power dynamic there, and a lot of
times, that’s not acknowledged. So there’s that ncediness, and that can
become opportunistic o taken advantage of because of the position
is in need.

And an individual might not even be aware of it. I mean, you want
to get out, you nced help, and you might not even be conscious of
it, but that power dynamic is there, it's in play. And s the same way
with some students, you know, who are doin’ they theses or whatever
and they lookin’ at prisons and prisoners. They zcach in here askin’
questions about our lives, trying to understand our reality in here, but
they're doing it from a detached place; you know, almost like a case
study. But they ain't feclin’ me in terms of the struggle as a whole,
about the effects that this shit has on colonized communities or op-
pressed communities. So you know theres a lot of dynamics in play
here. And it’s frustrating, cause you got guys that have made a lot of
sactifices, guys that have “thrown their lives away” based on a commit-
ment to an ideology, to an idea. T got friends in here that, beeause they
stood for what they believe in, for their politics, they could've been on
the street by now having kids raising a family or whatever, they came
in these camps at 18, 19 years old and they took a stand. Now they got
100 years, 180 years because they was fighting against racist pigs o
they were caught up in a riot and they took over shit.

But they don't have any outside support from the movement, and so
when other guys look at that.... T mean, these aze the George Jacksons
of Tndiana, you know, brothers like [Pritoner F]... so you got these
guys who are looking at these other dudes who are supposed to be an
example, they're struggling so hard and they don't have any outside
support they like “Shbh, man, that ain't for me.” You know, that’ a
tutn off for them, they ain't going to go that route. They like, “Where
the support at?” They're talking “Man, you ain't sayin’ nothin’ ' just
tryin' to get this money, you're talking about something that ain't never
gonna happen in my lifetime”, blah blah blah. Pigs back here stompin®

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our heads in or murderin’ s and I can’t call out to the streets and
‘mobilize a unit or support structure to expose this shit or retaliate
or hold some accountability. And yet one of these so-called gang
members can get on a cell phone and call into the hood, holler at
his pecps and say “hey, this mutherfuckin® pig did this or that,”
and people gonna know about it. And yet this is a lumpen. There’s
something wrong with that picture.

What do you eavision in talking about this stuff? Is it simply an
Otissue of bringing to the attention of a wider audience, s it an issue
of retaliatory actions? What are you thinking about?

1 think for us, at this paticular juncrure, its an issue of bringing it

I: to a wider audience, in terms of letting the event itself be educa-
tional, to set the tone, to set an example, to perhaps inspire other
activities. [ think that’s the area we in right now. And I think that
will shake the foundations... Il just give you a hypothetical: you
got dudes that have been on these units 10, 15, 20 years, these
AS units basically for they polities or for some action they took
however many years ago. Everybody knows that its a violation of
human rights or of the law, but nothing’ being done aboutit. Now
who's to say that if some individual that’s in a position of authority
or whatever got disciplined, and the explanation was made public
that this was why this occurred, etc et etc; that would immediately
bring about attention and external investigations, you know; “Why
are they being held on these wnits in this manner? Why have they
been here for 5o long and who is responsible for sceing that this is
not occurring?”

And on the lip side of this, it allows ones in the communities, even
if they not directly associated with whatever, to go outand do some
educating about these super max unis, about these SHU units, you
kaow Pelican Bay and whatnot, why the hell are they being held
like this for so long because of they politics? And on the other side,
we got a white supremacist situation around here that’s flousishing.
And one reason it flourishin’, man, is ifs being supported by the
state. They've been allowed to mancuver and get into positions of

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power, they been allowed fo set up bases and what have you. 1
mean, you got guys that come down here and give the damn Hit-
ler salute, they ain't even putting no color on it. And it’s common
knowledge, common practice. Who's to say that, say some action
got taken and it could be linked back to that community however
falsely or whatever, that would put some things in motion.

What are the possibilties of network building amongst folks in
O:Indiana? Beyond Indiana?

We have our own networks, so yes, ifs definitely possible. We have

I: basic networks, we have some basic structures, even in other units,
where if they're shaking down or they're raiding or whatever... you
know, cell phones have zeplaced the prison grapevine and took it
to the next level. You know, that’s why theyre trying to say to the
‘media “oh, its just about the use of drugs and criminal activity”
of course that’s a part of i, but a lot of it has to do with the fact
that people want to holler at their families, they want to commu-
nicate with their loved ones without paying these high prices that
theyre charging us on these regular phones. And another part of it
i that they have the potential for us to organize. And these dudes,
because of the fact that the mood is so low at this particular hou,
theyre just taking it for granted that they’re always going to have
access to this kind of technology. These dudes are just laying back,
they're on their chat line, they're just playing, they’re not maximiz-
ing usage that should be maximized for this particular hour because
theyre assuming that it always going to be available. Butif we ever
wake up and get serious, and get committed to actually doing some
building, the Department of Corrections is going to be in trouble,
and they know it. This is why they’e trying to pass laws now to
implement jammers, and passing laws now to charge us with being
caugh with a cellphone, because they recogaize the potential that
ithas.

People have to be careful, too, you guys out there, people on the
strects, of putting us on pedestals because we're active. Again,
speaking from expericnce, my first day in prison I was sixteen, I

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didn't get with these people who were like hardcore... P've always been
2 leader-type dude, Ive always had leadership skills, people always try
to flock to me, it’s a natural thing or whatever, so organizing came
instinctually to me. So, going through my easly stages of development,
like the MCC hunger strikes, networking with people and being ex-
posed to different levels of activists out there... and because we were
accomplishing things and having victosies and whatnot, people outside
the walls had a tendency to put us on pedestals, like we don't have
faults. You build up a certain expectation. So then when you do get
out, if you get out, if you stumble or fall or whatever, some of these
same people that are supposed to be comrades and allics or whatever,
who fashioned this romanticized vision of you, are your worst critics.

That's amazing to me, because on one hand you say you'e treating me
25 a conscious individual, that you're someone who understands revo-
lution and understands the natare of oppression and imperialism and
what have you, that understand the kind of psychological torture and
trauma that people like us go through, and yet you're judging us and
somehow ate our worst eritics, when you yourself, probably, more than
not, have not been through what we've been through, and probably
couldn't survive the shit that we have been through. And yet because
you romantically put us on this pedestal that we didn't ask to be on,
then you said all this other shit. And we don't need that. We struggle
within the arena and on the terrain that we're forced to deal with, and
then we come out there to the terrain where you guys are at and try
to adapt and navigate that shit, after going through what we've been
through. And there aren't mechanisms in places, structures in place,
that are capable of absorbing those of us who do come out, who are
damaged goods or have suffered post-traumatic stress or whatever.

And then we come out and watch how they all have personal agendas.
Whether you want us to speals for you or whateve,ifs not the type of
relationship, like you were saying carlier its not genuine comradeship,
working relationship, where this is what this is sbout. I¢s not just about
what people can do for me, or what T can do for people, it about that
we ae committed to our idea, an ideology, and a principle, and are try-
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make some progress... and a ot of times, brother, that don’t be what it
is. And one of the reasons why—you know, this debate that has been
going on for however many years, the traditional political prisoner
versus the social prisoner turned political, what have you—one of the
reasons that a lot of guys who get out fall away is beeause there aren’t
structares in place to absorb them. We don't have a liberated zone or
a liberated territory where we can go to as conscious individuals and
be nurtured and strengthened, where we could feed off of cach other
and be strengthened by each other. I¢s like you just go out there and
you're trying to be proactive and progressive and revolutionary in a sea
of reactionaties.

Andif you don't have a firm foundation where you have made a quali-
tative leap and you got an internal base in yourself that you're standing
on based on your values and your politics, nine times out of ten you're
going to succumb to the madness around you or something else. And
that's a bad thing, man. And I think thar’s been one of the biggest
obstacles in our path, as far as having the institutions and structures
that can support a political prisoner outside the walls in Indiana, for
example, or the Midswest, that can be sustained—not that it can't just
be popped up, we have our spurts. But it not able to be sustained,
anything thats really geared towards or is effective towards serious
change.

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interview with a jailhouse lawyer

Outsider Interviewer (0): How did you personally become involved
ot interested in rescarching legal issues and what sort of issues were
you looking at with your own case, or who helped you with those sorts
of thing, what was the process of you getting involved with that?

Inside Interviewee (I): When I fisst got started, T got started with
doing my own legal zesearch, working on my own case. Then, over the
years, I stayed on lockup so much that I started running into guys that
were also rescarching their own cases, but they were also researching
prison conditions. And in the mid-80s, late 80s, early 90s, we had an
organization in prison called the Lifers’ Organization, and somehow
they got the bright idea that | knew something about law. So the Lifers
asked me to work on some prison issues, researching prison issues,
and there were a couple of guys there that were showing me how to
do civil. So from there, I got interested, it became a challenge, at some
‘point it became fun, next thing you know I became hooked.

Istarted putting all my efforts... spending all my time in the law library.
But at that time Tm still in the criminal mentality, T had not trans-
formed yet, P'm still doing the petty criminal prison stuff—staying on
these lockup units. I've been in prison basically all my life, butin prison
Tve also been in prison within prison. So during one of my stays on
the lockup unit—and this was in the early days, when all of us started
transforming from a eriminal mentality (o a political mentality. Guys
were asking me to do rescarch on prison condifions, and in the course
of doing rescarch on prison conditions, I started running across other
policical prisoners who were using the law library and the legal system
to get off lockup units, to address police brutality, and I became fa-
miliar with i, then, the next thing you know, it was a natural step for
me to start challenging prison conditions. I started learning how to file
grievances, I started learning how to file lawsuis, but like I mentioned,
Tlost almost every time I did. But every time I'd lose, they would tell
me why Ilost. So I started, through the process of elimination, started
catching on here and there. But that’s how I came about it, I started by
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who were working on their case, as well as working on civil matters
challenging prison conditions.

O:Was there ever any kind of group of people trying fo learn together
to use... | don't know what the availability there was back in the day,
if youall could get together and teach each other certain things, or
i that was ever possible.

L Wel, this is how that went: we got together incidental. We would al-
ways end up on the lockup units, we'd end up in the same side oz on.
the same range. Back then they used o put us on the lockup called
TDU. And on DU they would have some of the gays that were on
X Row, Death Row. They would have them on there. Those guys
were well advanced in legal research, and there were a couple guys
who were showing me how to do things, were showing me where
some of my mistakes were and why I kept messing up, why I kept
losing, started explaining certain stuff to me, because I used to have
the same—T used to read the case cite, and have the same issues
that other dudes had won on, while I lost. And I coulda’t under-
stand why mine kept getting kicked out. So they started explaining
to me the procedural defaults I kept running into—why I kept run-
ning into them, how T kept runing into them. So, incidentally, we
started grouping up, we started meeting up on the lockup units.

O:How have you and others been able to use the legal system, or the
law library, or outside legal support to engage with certain types of

struggle that were going on in the past®

I:Okay, in some ways, how we used to do it... they would always
throw up road blocks, and say there might be four o five of us,
there might be one or two dudes thats real, real good at the law,
embedded with us, and we could only get five case cites at the dme.
So T would send over there and get the case cite they told me to
get, somebody else would send over there and get the case cite,
and while we were at the lockup units, at IDU, and —this was at the
IDU and at Pendleton, you could always get one case cite for free.
For example, if we send over there—if we're indigent and ain't got

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1o money, and we send over there and get five case cites at Pendleton,
they let you have them for free.

So what we started doing was building our own law library, of some
of the main cases, we started building a whole bunch of case cites and
leave them on the lockup units. And we started building case cites so
that we could have a small, satellite library that we could travel with,
you know, so that’s one way we started doing it. And here’s another
way we started using it—if you start reading a case, most of them—
well, not most of them, all of them say that you have to exhaust the
administrative remedies first. So that meant that I stared having to
learn how to file grievances, and had to work through the frustration
of always losing them.

So we started filing the grievances and learning how to do that... but
et me back up a litle bit. Back in ‘04, when I was at Michigan City, not
t00 long ago, they had a situation where the assistant superiatendent
over on DE, you know, came out with some type of rule that says that
if one person in the group refused to shut his door, that everyone in
the group would lose his rec. So, instead of just going crazy moaning
and groaning, T said, “Well, lets file a lawsuit, a class-action lawsuit”
So what I did is, I wrote the grievance up, put it in boilerplate, wrote
about five of them up, and sent them off to each range to show other
dudes how to do it. So other dudes started grievances, next thing you
now they had fifty or sisty grievances on the same thing. And T kept
taking everybody step by step, saying “Don't worry about it if they
refusc it, because that’s what they re supposed to do. All we have to do
s to exhaust the administrative remedies” So I showed them how to
exhaust the administrative remedies, then I showed them how to give
notice to the court of the lawsuit.

So by the time we gave notice to the court, they had changed the rule.
We knew, I did and a bunch of people knew, you can't go punishing me
for what one person does. If John Doe decides not to shut his door,
you can't punish me. But what they were trying to do, they were trying
to force us to do their job, to turn hostility towards John Doe, so all
the prisoners will say “Hey, John Doel Shut your door, man, cause if

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you don't we're gonna lose rec?” But we were saying “T¢s not our
job to make John Doe shut his door, that’s your job.” So that was
one incident in which we used a pen and paper—instead of using
violence we just used a pen and paper to resolve that issuc. And
then, other issues—well, some of those issues that I contributed to,
T can't seally talk about them, because the way that we did it, and the
way it was structured, it was like a cell, and only the people in that
cellare supposed to know about them, so some of them I will have
to pass. And some of those incidents, or one or two of them, we
used a pen and paper. Because we had come to realize that in these
prison struggles as well as out on the street, it doesn't always have to
be a violent struggle, you can use your brain too. We came to realize
that the pen and paper is a viable weapon in here, i s used right.

0:50 what sort of tactics... you sort of mentioned this one, where
yousort of guide people through the mass filing of grievances and
lawsuits and things, and that scems to be a pretty useful and com-
‘mon tactic in using the legal system, but are there other kinds of
tactics, filing specific kinds of lawsuits against specific people for

things, or...

I: Yeah. Well in the past, I didn't know how to file habeus corpus, or
1983. But now, I got a lttle bit more better at itl Now, I know how
to file things such as a rudimentae. Now I know how to file things
such as a declaratory judgment. Now I know how to file things
such as a injunction. These are all some of the legal maneuvers that
were kept away from me because I didn't have meaningful access to
the law library. But over time, getting stuck on these lockup units,
learning from the people who had come before me, I started learn-
ing how to file other remedies. Now, I'm not necessarly stuck with
a simple lawsauit, there are other mofions and writs that can be filed
that can make the prison people do what theyre supposed o do,
or shine light on them when they ain't doing what theyre supposed
to do.

Not too long ago, T became familiar with how o utilize what they
got here in Indians, i’ called the Indiana Inspector General. Now,

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the Tnspector General is an office within the Attorney General’s
office, but stil separate from the Attorney General’ office. He's
like a person who can go by any state government and make them
follow their own rules and make them follow their own laws. And
Tbecame familiar with how to make him do his job, I know how to
open the doors and file a complaint to him, and then 1 know the
laws that say if you file this complaint and file it this way, he’s legally
obligated to pursuc this and to pursue that. So that could be a useful
avenue to a person who becomes familiar with it and knows how
todoit.

0:m wondering how has your access to different legal resources
changed over the years.

T:1s always been bad. They deliberately, consciously, and knowingly
throw up roadblocks to deny us access to the law library. What
T end up doing is going through people on the streets, or meet
somebody in college. There was a time when I had various family
members in college, and they would introduce me to a friead, or
maybe somebody else like my friend, he might know somebody at
a college, or working at a college, and he would introduce me and
we started going outside the prison law library to research stuff. But
we never abandoned the prison law library—we kept t, but we just
started going outside it

And then, sometimes we would have to find someone over there
who wasn't actually afraid to struggle, and we would try to use them
off the record and pay them to get various case sites, stuff ke that
for us. Sometimes we'd even, this is another way we'd get it, we'd
read a case site, and they'd put the other case site over in Michigan.
But I couldnt ger the stuff I needed over here, so I'd go to the
lawyer who pursued the case over in Michigan, and she would send
a whole bunch of material. We were doing stuff like that too.

We got very litle realistic help from the ACLU here in Indiana.
Pretty much, whenever we got a good case or an issue, they'd come
in and water it down, you know, push it a litle bir, very ltte... Yeah,

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we got a lttle help but most of the time we don’t even want to deal
with them.

O: Have you found receptive lawyers in Indiana besides the ACLU at
all? Are there people that you can work with, or is outside support
‘mostly from the nonprofessional community?

L:Most of the time if you find a lawyer that will take t, ifs because
we've done allthe legwork, all the hard work, and they're just gonna
come in and get their litle lawyer’s fee. That's been my experience.
When you file, starting at ground zezo and you take it and push it,
we had to do all the leg work, and when it came almost time to go
to trial, once we survived the summer rejudgment, then you might
find a lawyer who'll come in and change a few sentences, change
a few verbs to act like they did all the legwork, and they reap the
benefits here and there.

O:1s access to legal resources varisble from place to place, ot is it
across the board at the IDOC?

L1t endemic, across the board. They consciously give you the bare
minimurm, and even when they give you the bare minimum, there
are a multitude of road blocks up there to keep you from actually
being successful in filing any lawsuits against them, or any legal
action against them.

O: Has there ever been any legal challenges over access to legal materi-
als?

I:Yup. Well, Pve had some, but I still lost. And the whole thing is,
alot of the time, for me and some other people, you don't know
what you need to know unil after you losel And now they'se going
to shut it up to where you have to pay 350, might even be more
than that, to ile, and nobody has tha type of money! And if you
file three lawsuits and each of these lawsuits is determined to be
frivolous, they retaliate against you by writing you up. They write
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good time away from you, things like that. So now, people are real
cautious before they do it, and a lot of people that didn't want to
doitin the fisst place now have a built in excuse for why they don't
doit. “Man, 1 ain't got no 350 to do that! Man, I ain't geting wrote
up and intentionally go to lockup for messing with those people.”

0: S0, you mentioned outside support as something that’s been use-
ful in terms of getting access to legal materials. 1 wondered if you
could just talk a lttle bit more about that, ot how that’s functioned
in the past in terms of specific things.

I: Qutside support, for a lot of us,is hard to come by too. Say, for
cxample, sometimes you might—I would write Northwestern
Univessity over there in Chicago. If you're lucky enough to find
4 young law student that’, you know, happens to need a certain
level of experience or something, they might work with you; if you
lucky enough to catch the attention of one of those professionals,
they might work with you. But the thing s, they're so inundated
with prison requests that the chances catching one with some spare
time, or free time, ain't that likely. But it does happen. So if you can
spread out to these big colleges or universities, or to some of these
out of state legal organizations, you might get litle help there.
‘That's been some of the routes we've been forced to take. Cause
here in Indiana, if there’s some outside help, it's so hard to come
by, and by the time we run into some outside help, somebody is
probably going to abuse it and misuse it to the point where they're
so skeptical that they don't even want to mess with us.

0: Do you ever get help with legal research and stuff from more like
prisoner support groups as opposed to legal support groups or
something?

I: 'm not aware of it. A lot of prisoner support groups will tell you
“We're not lawyers, we don't do personal research.” My experience
has been, you gotta have a big something that can grab the attention
of the news before a prisoner organization wants to touch if, or
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the end of the rainbow before they wanna touch it. That’s been my
experience, but that’s probably not the case with all experiences, but
that's been the experience I've run into.

O:What do you see as a good stating point for folk working together
to support and further struggle against the prison system using the

legal system?

I: T would suggest that us from the inside, as well as people on the
outside, familasize themselves with the main books, and that the
people on the outside, they do the same things we do—buy some
legal books, or if they have computers, get them a computer pro-
gram, and so that i we can't get access to the material we need, that
we have an alternate route. Like somebody out on the street, if they
find themselves with some free time, ot if they know somebody
that’s already in this area, introduce us to them, or let us go through
them to ask “Hey, will you get on the computer and look for this
case?” Look for this, look for that.. that would be a big help.

And, people on the street can file stuff on our behal. If T was to
bring a complaint to you and then showed you how to do it, you
could take the complaint to the omnibus. You could take a com-
plaint to the Inspector General. Even people on the strect can fle
a complaint. For example, if you tried to send me some materisl
and they don’tlet the material in, you could file a complaint. If you
tried to visit someone in prison and they wouldn't let you in, you
could fle a complaint, on your own on you could file a complaint
in conjunction. Stuff like that...if you ever was to find a lawyer that
was willing to listen, that could be helpful too, but that’s probably
going to be a lttle hard. Getting people on the steet to be familiar
with the legal system—I mean, they don’t have to know it, aint
n0ne of us know it all the way, but f they get the basics... Go to the
Iaw clerk on the street and as for various kinds of phone warrants,
familiarize yourself with various kinds of phone warrants. All that
could end up being helpful in these efforts.

0:Do you have a list of important cases if you were to approach
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someone with and say, “Hey, these things would be really helpful
in terms of your understanding of the legal system and how to
approach it in terms of things going on in prisons..” Are there
specific ones that you know?

: Yeah, there're some cases. Not off the top of my head, but I do

have this list in there, and I'll gt it out and share it with you.

]

And T would suggest another thing: read all prison policies, all of
them. I would suggest that we give copies of them to y'all piece by
piece, and if yall can acquire them, piece by piece, get a copy of
every prison policy in here. Because, back in the day, this was one of
the things I lacked, knowing and understanding the prison policy,
because there are certain ways that you can make these officers do
theit job, or suffer the consequences of not doing their job. They
got a thing called derelict of duty, and if these officers don't do
their job in accordance to the law or the policies, you can file a
lawsuit and say “You're derelict of duty” and they can get fired.
All this stuff T didn’t know until recently, T started becoming famil-
far with it. And another good thing about the law is the Freedom
of Information Act, there’s a lot of public records that come into
good hands, come in good at some point.
interview with a comrade in
long-term isolation

Outside Interviewer (0):Could you describe yourself, how you saw
yourself, when you first entered into prison?

Tnside Interviewee(I): T had no political consciousness when T
entered prison. T was nineteen years old when T entered Indiana
State Prison in December of 1978. I could barely read and write.
was socially, historically and culturally ignorant. This is to say, I had
10 idea of who I was or what my purpose was in life. On a subcon-
scious level, T felt like a failure and hated mysclf. My understanding
of politics extended no further than the ballot box. Despite my lack
of political consciousness, I was naturally anti-authoritarizn!

O:How did you gain an understanding of your political position, vis-
a-vis the prison system/state?

L: The process in which I gained an understanding of my political
position was a slow and gradual one. For the first five and a half
years of my imprisonment, I ran around like a reckless young fool
victimizing other prisoners who dared to challenge me, in addition
0 those I considered to be weak and despicable. I quickly estab-
lished a reputation as a young tough, that was feared and respected
by his peers. As a result I saw 10 need to change or evolve beyond
the way T was perceived and the way I too saw myself.

My preying on other prisoners was not necessaly a philosophi-
cal choice. I was forced to support mysclf, by hook or by crook
because my repeated period of imprisonment over the years had
estranged members of my immediate family from me, to where
they no longer supported me financially. My predatory behavior
and my anti-authoritarian attitude resulted in me being placed on
the disciplinary segregation (D/S) unit repeatedly.

It was on the D/S units at LSP. where I was radicalized. The
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myself of the criminal mentality while undergoing my transforma-
tion and emergence as a leader. In the early 1980s, D/S units at
LSP. wete teeming with social, politieal, historical and cultural con-
sciousness (as a result of the confinement of numerous politically
conscious Black or New Afrikan prisoners who had been singled
out and targeted for harassment for whatever reasons) I distinctly
temember a rad [Prismer A] walking around with a shirt on that
tead: “Black People Are A Nation Behind Bars”. I recall [Prisaner B]
and [Prisoner A] having some intense discussion about colonialism
and neocolonialism, and arguing how they were responsible for the
plight of black people. As a young nationalist, T was susceptible to
these anti-imperialist and ant-colonialist messages.

In short, while I was on D/S units at LS., T was exposed to some
social, political, cultural and economic ideas that inspired me to
begin to think in a systematic, critical way about my past lifestyle,
about the world and the socicty in which I lived. As a result, I began
to question the way things were, I came to the realization that revo-
lutionary change in my life, in society was both possible and neces-
sary. As a poliically conscious prisoner, it became apparent that
Black people or New Afrikans are a colonized nation, imprisoned
within America (that is, colonized within the supreme colonizer)
The legislative branches of the US. government, in conjunction
with its courts and prisons, function as instruments and lynch pins
to perpetrate our repression.

O:What sorts of incidents opened your eyes, so to speak?

I: There is no one single eveat or incident that is responsible for the
awakening of my consciousness. Rather, the awakening of my con-
sciousness can be attributed to a culmination of recent and past
events, personal growth and experience.

‘The past events that do stand out, howeves, just to name a few,
were: the assassination of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark on De-
cember 4th 1969 by Chicago Police; the murder of Jonathan Jack-
son, William Chsistmas and James McClain on August Tth, 1970 by

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the police in Marin County, California; the assassination of George
Jackson at San Quentin Prison on Augast 21st 1971; and the Attica
Prison Rebellion in September 1971 and the subsequent killing of
39 prisoners and the wounding of hundzeds of others.

The recent events that stand out and impacted my way of thinking
wete: the murder of James Grimes in 1981 by Indianapolis police.
James was murdered in front of his wife and one year old son,
downtown on the circle for a parking violation. The murder of
Michael Taylor in September of 1987 by Indianapolis police, while
he was handcuffed in the back seat of a police car. The massacre of
the men, women and children of MOVE in 1985 by Philadelphia
Police on order of neocolonialist Wilson Goode, which resulted in
these MOVE members being burned alive in their own home.

Whether in the past or present, the fact is that when police mur-
der and kill Black people or New Afiikans the same excuses are
recycled and used over and over again. As a result, nearly no one in
the Black or New Afrikan community believes that the police are
there to serve and protect.

O:What sorts of folks were you rotating with back then? What sorts
of interactions did you have that helped further your political con-
sciousness?

T: When I first arrived at LSP, T sought and hung out with people who
thought and behaved like me such as.... [Bd: fit of privoners’ names
omitted] These were the individuals | went to war with /against other
prisoners. We wete involved in a lot of predatory behavior where
we robbed and stole from other prisoners

Forinstance, myself, [PrisorerA) and [Prisoner D] broke into so many
other prisoners’ cells that we forced prison officials to change policy
and procedures in regards to how cell houses were to be released
for recreation and chow. We were notorious rogues. [Privner E],
[Prisoner F), and [Prisoner G] were gambling partners on the regular.
We shot dice three or four times a week...[Ed: it of privoners’ names

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amitted] were all mentors to me. There were all approximately eight
years my senior and consequently they had a lot of influence on me-

[Prisoner H] and T knew each other prior to my entry into prison, but
because he was three years oldes, we had never really hung out with
each other. The dynamic of our relationship changed once we entered
prison. Circumstances forced us into an alliance based on the defense
of cach other and our homeboys. Our partnership in combat eventu-
ally developed into true friendship and from our friendship we grew
10 love each other as brothers. We were so similar that people often
mistook us for cach other, and it blinded us to each others’ faults. This
is tosay: in each others’ eyes neither of us could do any wrong.

[Prisoner H) and 1 became the self-appointed warlords of Indianapolis.
We wete o first o jump into the fray. We believed that we had an obli-
gation to retaliate and protect our homeboys, who were being attacked,
harassed and intimidated.

From 1979 theu 1983, additionally, while I was on and off D/S units at
LSP, a brothethood of unity, solidacity and love was forged between
mysclf and my fellow prisoners housed on these units, as a result of
our collective struggle of resistance towards authority in general and
prison authority in particular. The following persons were my broth-
exs.... [Ed: list of prisoners’ names omitted,] Our brotherhood of common
struggle and resistance protected us from the retaliatory wrath of the
prisoncrats. The prisoncrats knew and understood that any violent act
committed against one of us would be an act committed against all of
us, and that we would respond accordingly.

Out of all of the aforementioned prisoners 1 listed who were member
of the brotherhood that was forged on the D/S unis, the ones who
helped to raise my political consciousness were [Prisoner G, [Prisoner
H), (Prisoner 1] and [Prisoner ]|. In truth, all of these comrades weze
instrumental in my politieal development to some exteat, but no one
deserves as much credit as [Pritoner G]! [Prisoner G] was to me what the
late W.C. Nolen was to George Jackson. He had the perfect tempera-
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senior and despite our age differences, he never talked down to me.

For example, instead of telling me what to do, or how I should
doit, he would always suggest how I should do things. He treated
me as his equal even though T knew very little. As a result, T always
felt genuinely respected. [Primner G] and T had a beauiful rapport,
which was instrumental in us developing the Black Dragons years
later (The Black Dragons were ous version of the Black Guerrilla
Family)

: What sorts of materials//outside influences helped you along in this
process?

: Some of the books and materials I read that helped shape my polit-
ical and social consciousness are listed as follows: The Autobiograply
of Maloom X; Let the Trampet Sound (bio of MLK); Assata; Angela Da-
vis autobiograply; The Autobiography of W.E.B. Dadbois; Soledad Brothers;
Blood in my Eyes-George Jackson; Black Ancakening in Capiralist America;
Chains and Images of Prycholoical Slavery; The Theory of Knowiedge; Ma-
seralisns and the Dialctical Metbod; Afriea Maust Unite; Neo-Colonialis:
The Last Stage of Imperialism; Histoical Materiakism, Mars, Engels and
Lenin; Imperialsn: The Last Stage of Capitaliom; Diaketical and Histrs-
cal Mateialism; Stolen Black Labor; Black: People and the U.S. Economy;
Bread; Peacs, and Black Power; “The Black Working Class us the US.
Government”; Sun Views; The Mythology of the White Proletariat; Vita
Wa Wt etc.

As far as outside influences are concerned, there weren't many
but T did subscribe to Buraing Spear Newspaper; Crossroad Shield and
Spear Magasine; Worker World Magagine; Prisoner News Servie. To be
honest, in the past I never felt comfortable communicating with
people I didn't know or trust. In addition to this, I was not confi-
dent enough to place my politicalideas in the public arena for them
to be debated. If they were, I was not prepared to defend them.
T didst have the patience. For these reasons, I didn't do a lot of
networking with outside sources.

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O: What was the political climate like in the 80s and 90s?

I: As a general rule, the prison struggle mirtors the struggles and
contradictions within society outside of the prison walls. Due to
the enclosed environment of the maximum security prison, the
effect s often one of magnifying these contradictions—both posi-
tive and negative aspects. This is to say, that in prisons, one finds
the seeds of heroic rebellion and hopeless apathy; the heights of
revolutionary character and the depths of human predation and
sadism. Thus, the relative lull in mass resistance to US. imperialism
and the lack of revolutionary leadership on the streets find their
reflections in the prisons

In 1980, at ISP in general population, the political atmosphere
was 4 laidback and easygoing one. The lack of a political inten-
sity or revolutionary fervent was not the result of apathy, rather
it was because the majority of the older prisoners who had been
politically active in the past were resting on their laurels. It must be
understood that the vast majority of prisoners imprisoned at 1.5.P
wee 28 years of age or older and were serving lengthy sentences
(prior to 1977, you had to be 28 years of age or older in order to be
classified for assignment to LSP) A lot of them were involved in
various social and political struggles in the 60s and 70s.

In the early 70, their collective resistance in conjunction with their
class action lawsuits forced the prison administrators to make some
internal reforms within their prison by yielding the prisoners some
humane concessions. For instance, the prisoners were granted pec-
mission to organize amongst themselves to certain extent. There
were organizations such as Lifers, Jay Cees and Chess Club that re-
ally had teeth as far as being an advocate on the behalf of prisoners
were concerned. The overall conditions were improved as a result
of these humane reforms.

For instance, medical care was adequate, the law library services
were first class, the food we ate had a high quality. In terms of edu-
cation, we had Pell Grants and college classes, the commissary de-
‘partment provided us with first class items. Prisoners were allowed
atleast 8 hours of out of cell recreation time. As well, prisoners were
allowed to order food from outside restaurants every 90 days. In short,
the prisoners at LS.P. were granted everything but conjugal visits

‘The political atmosphere on the D/S units at LSP, in contrast to the
political atmosphere in general population, was teeming with political
consciousness in 1980. The segregation units (A/S and D/S) at LSP.
and at Pendleton Reformatory were converted into schools to tura
out revolutionaies from 1980 through the carly 90s. As a matter of
fact, the ideology of Communism was so predominant amongst the
prisoners, that once we went to general population, the prisoners there
wete subsequently influenced by our ideas as well In short, the outside
(gen. pop.) was influenced by the inside (scgregation).

In 1983, the laidback easygoing political atmosphere T described in
1980 had begun to dissipate as a result of a lot of repressive measures
being implemented. Tt must be remembered that Ronald Reagan was
elected as President in 1980, and his whole agenda was based on set-
ting back civil liberties. He nominated over 200 conservative judges
t0 the federal courts, who were instrumental i helping him cary out
his reactionary policies designed to undermine a criminal defendants
rights.

Repressive restrictions: in 1981 LS. officials made it a mandatory
policy that all prisoners wear LD, cards; in 1982, the movies which
were shown in chapel every weckend were now piped into the pris-
oners cells for them to see on their televisions (a move designed to
control movement);in 1983, our personal clothes were taken away and
we were forced to wear white jump suits on D/S units; prison custody
10 longer ran the prison, the prison was now governed by unit teams
which consisted of counselors and case managers.

“There was one incident in particular that occurred in 1983 that I con-
sidered to be a pivotal point in the prison officials seizing control of
the prison and repressing the prison population. At LSP. in 1983, 2
very influential prisoner named Johnny Hodge was murdered in A-cell
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murder was supposedly a result of a conspiracy between prisoners and
‘prison officias. Johnny was not a conscious prisoner, but nevertheless
he was the most influential prisoner in the state of Indiana. His hustle
was drugs and gambling. He controlled the vast majority of the drugs
that were trafficked into the prison. His ability to control the flow of
drugs granted him a lot of clout (whoever controls the economy usu-
ally controls the prison.)

The murder of Johnay was the beginning of a paradigm shift, where
economics were removed from the control of Black and New Afrikan
prisoners (Johnny was a New Afiikan) and transferred to white prison-
exs. The murder of Johnny Hodge marked the beginning of the end
of “Indiana State Prison” as a prison. On a positive note, the death of
Johnny helped to raise the conseiousness of other prisoners.

From 1986 through 1991, the political atmosphere at LS.P. and Pend-
leton were most intense. There were a a lot of clashes between the
prisoners and prison authorities. These clashes usually took place on
D/S units. At both prisons, the guards were brutal cowards and some
were factionalized into several racist gangs, i. the Klan, the Sons of
Light, nco-Nazis and Masons, usually headed by 2 high ranking major,
captain or lieutenant. The clashes that occurred were the results of
intolerable living conditions, colonial capivity, denial of human rights,
racist guards, abuse and brutality and rehabilitative fraud.

The federal courts had basically told prison administrators that they
could do to us as they saw fir, and the courts wouldn'tintervene. Prison
authorities in turn began rolling back the gains we had won in the past.
This is to say, many of the same human rights issues that prisoners
fought so bitterly forin the 60s and 70s (decent food, adequate medical
cae, education, meaningful contact with the family and community,
safe living conditions) were being deliberately undermined.

In the 1980s and 90s there were four political lines that dominated
the thinking of prisoners within IDOC: African People Socialist Party
(A.PSP), the All African People Socialist Pasty, the Republic of New
Aftica (RNA.), and the Black Liberation Army (BL.A). In the early

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19805, APSPs line was predominant amongst most politically
conscious prisoners. But this was short lived because in 1983 and
through the early 90s, the RN.A. and Vita Wa Watu became the
predominant political line that was embraced by conscious prison-
ers who considered themselves revolutionatics

O:What sorts of conditions were you facing, both those imposed by
the prisoncrats and those imposed by other inmates/inmate orga-
nizations?

I: [In] the early 80s, my fellow comeades and T did not find “tribal-
ism” to be a problem while making our political transition, because
there were very few members of street organizations within LS.
and Indiana Reformatory. Therefore, they presented no opposition
to our political development and subsequent organizing, We were
stagnated somewhat by regionalism; this is to say, prisoners from
Gary, Hammond, and East Chicago in general felt like they were
superior to prisoners from other cities within Indiana. This regional
schism was very pervasive in general population at ISP, However,
after those of us who were influential were placed on D/S and A/S
units, we overcame such regionalism by forging a brotherhood of
unity and solidarity through our struggles together.

After many of my comrades and I had become politically conscious,
the prisoncrats employed numerous devious methods to offset, un-
dermine, suppress, repress and neutralize our influence on other
prisones. For example, in 1986 in LS. and Indiana Reformatory
(which were our strongholds), we were ran over with a bunch of
young, wild and confused gangbangers. They represented the street
organizations known as Gangster Disciples and Vice Lords, mosly.

Some of our cadres saw these youngsters as potential revolutionary
soldiers. In most instances, however, before our cadre could even
breathe on these young gangsters, they were snatched up out of
general population and placed on A /S units, in an attempt to mar-
ginalize them. As a result of this marginalization, the gang bangers
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prisoners by continuing their “tribal conflcts”.

At the same time, the prisons were being overrun with young gang
bangers, there was an emergence, o re-emergence, of radical white
supremacist ideas among young white prisoners. A lot of them sub-
scribed to the ideology and philosophical thinking of white suprema-
cist Shane Matthew and “The Order.” Thus they organized themselves
accordingly. These reactionary white nationalists became, wittingly and
unwittingly, the agents of the prisoncrats, aiding in the dismantling
of everything we had built up over the years. They opposed us, and
racially polarized the prison system. Of course, I don't mean to imply
that they were the only ones propagating racism, there were many oth-
ers, but their ideas were outdated and couldn't galvanize anyone. There,
wete old guards such as “Happy Jack Walter”, who was the leader of
the KKK. for a while, and “Big Mike Meisenheimer.”

To ensure that “tribalism” and “regionalism” would ultimately become
entrenched amongst the prison population at ISP and the Indiana
Reformatory, in 1991 the prisoncrats had all those prisoners who were
politically conscious and eapable of organizing and unifying prisoner
in general population and on the /S units transferred to the Maxi-
mum Control Complex. [Ed: his was the first incarnation of ‘sapermas’ or
ontrol wnits”in Indiana prisons. 11s name was changed to the Westille Control
Unit i an attempt 1o defectlots of pressure froms outside organizations abow the
sreatment of prisoners in the MCC. There are now many ‘spermaxx’ ocksps in
Indiana, including the WCU, the Secured Housing Unit at Wabash Vallg, and
@ brand new ‘spermas locksp af the private prison in Neweastle) We weze
allisolated and persceuted because of our moral, social and political
views, a persecution that was (and continues o be) reminiscent of the
McCarthy era.

We are considered to be subversives, and so our very existence is crimi-
nal. As far as the prisoncrats are concerned, prisoners who organize
or attempt to organize other prisoners, or raise their consciousness,
are viewed as interfering with the orderly running of the camps, and
s0 they aze not to be tolerated! The persecution that myself and many
others have been subjected to in the past twenty-six years has deterred

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alot of young prisoners from identifying with revolutionary politics.

1 defied the repressive prison forces by constantly agitating, educating
and organizing resistance to the authority. Every cell house or lock,
up unit my comeades and I were placed in, we all lived in defiance of
prison rules. To be honest, the majority of my comrades were guided
by the cult of my personality, rather than a political line. This is to say,
that they were anti-system, but if asked to define imperialism, colonial-
ism, neocolonialism ot forces of production, they couldn't do it.

These ‘rades failure to develop an intellectually clear, political under-
standing of the system’s nature of oppression and exploitation was
undoubtedly responsible for them not making full-fledged conscious
commitments to revolutionary struggle. Their commitments in prison
weze only an emotional reaction /addiction. This i to say, when people
are operating out of the pain and miseries of their personal experi-
ences, he/she has an underdeveloped concept of seal revolution and
social struggle.

What T mean s this: as long as one’s personal pains and miscties are not
attached to the concept of objective social justice and righteousness,
then bis /her revolutionary activity will be determined and dictated by
the ups and downs of his/her psychological frame of mind, in relation
to the degrees of pleasure and pain he/she experiences at given times.

This is why so many militants and radicals of the 60s transformed info
corporate executives in the 70s. The civil rights bills and afrmative
action programs relieved them of the social restrictions and forms of
oppression that brought pain and misery into their personal lives. They
stopped being militant and radical, even though America didn't stop
being imperialist and capitalist.

Afier many of my comrades and I had been placed on A/S units, we
tried to organize against repressive prison forces, but our efforts were
to 00 avail... Those of us who had organized resistance in the past
were snatched up and placed on Control Units. Our placement on
these units intimidated prisoners in general. They were discouraged

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from challenging the conditions of their confinement or getting in-
volved in the struggle of human rights.

In the aftermath of our absence, the prisons became extremely repres-
sive, so much so that prisoners tried to escape it by scrambling out of
its way. In the past, prisoners have been able to scramble away from
confronting oppressive realitics. Sometimes this scrambling has been
through some kind of chemically-induced form of escape, some cushy
privileged job or through collaborating with the state. However, now
that the prisons have become so repressive, the ability to scramble
out of the way and not be dircetly affected by the repression has been
immensely reduced.

For one, a vast number of jobs for prisoners have been cut. Unem-
ployment of prisoners in Tndiana is very high, over 60%. The ability
to engage in narcotics trafficking and escape through some form of
“high” is slowly being cradicated, as non-contact visits become insti-
tutionalized across the board and the state begins to police their own
corrupt employees a litle tighter. As K-9 units begin to patrol behind
the walls and request for urine tests become more frequent, such prac-
tices become more detrimental. As weights, telephones, TVs and other
peivileges are taken, and even smoking is banned, prisoners cannot es-
cape the repression. We are forced to face the music. We are forced to
cither tighten our belts or we are forced to capitulate to the state. Itis
slowly getting to the point where we are forced to cither organize and
fight back, or surrender and accept a very slow and torturous death.

I would be lying if I said that none of this affected me. It disturbed me
alot. However, I maintained my revolve by adopting the control unit
survival strategies. This survival strategy emphasized that regardless
of the circumstances in which T was confined, that T would continue,
to resist the prison authorities. If not physically, then mentally. T knew
why I was resisting them, as well as the type of world I want to live in.
Having some understanding enabled me to identify the prisoncrats and
their agents as my enemies.

Those ‘rades who don't remember exactly what the fight is about
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wsually get lost in self reflection, self-pity and Iack of ability to ad-
just. This is usually the beginning of the end of them as broken
men. Unless you know what you're fighting for, you regress with
the depoliticization and disintegration of your personality.

Although T have been locked up 33 years, T try not to dwell on the
time I've been imprisoned. Over the years, T have learned that time
itself can be our most valuable asset. Just because I would rather
be doing something else doesn't mean that there’s nothing to dol
Comzade Klaus Viehmann advised those of us confined on these
units “n0t to obsess over being imprisoned. Live lifel We dor't miss
life in prison, we just have a different one to lead, as we would have
if any number of other things had happened instead of arrest. Use
your life to read, write, study, learn on the basis of being free to
do that. We (prisoners) can teach as welll Even if the interaction is
restricted to authors and unsinkable writings, it is work and con-
nection and valuable—Lifel” (This isn't an exact quote, but its the
gist of what Klaus wanted to convey). I have understood all of this
for years. Despite this, sometimes i fecls good to hear other people
clasify things that exist inside your own head.

Could you describe some specific events that you were involved in
O:over the years?

On Apsil 27th, 1980, on a lock up unit at Indiana State Prison

I: (Michigan City), eight other prisoners and I staged a takeover,
capturing several guards and prison personnel. This incident was
precipitated by some guards who had physically abused [Prisoner ]
by pushing him down a flight of stairs while he was handcuffed,
the day before. In an attempt to politicize and expose the abuse,
we drew a lst of grievances, nofified the press, and entered into
negotiations with top ranking officials for the IDOC.

In regards to our demands, the prisoncrats were adamant and
unyielding So, as the tensions of the stalemate built up, the state
police were called in. Once at the prison, they were mobilized to
surround the lock up unit, in full riot gear with guns at the ready.

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Finally, after 15 hours, the the authorities issued an ultimatum for the
release of the hostages.

So, understanding the history of the prisoncrats’ vicious nature, and
having played the drama out to the brink, under the threat of a blood-
bath, we released the remaining hostages. We only managed to secure
agreement that the prisoncrats would deal with our list of grievances
seriously in the immediate weeks to follow.

On February 1, 1985 at Indiana Reformatory (Pendleton), a group
of prisoners (Ed: fit of prisoners’ names onited] who were housed on
Maximum Restraint Unit (M.R-U) began to protest, refusing to come
out of their cells, due to the unreasonable and uanecessary daily early
‘morning shakedowns. In response to their protest, a “goon squad”
was dispatched to the unit and in the process of enforcing their will
upon the protesters, they singled out [Prironer J] and stomped, kicked
and clubbed him. The majority of his brutalization took place after he
was shackled and handcuffed.

They beat him so viciously that they cracked an illegally issued oak
club on him. After beating him into a bloody pulp and a state of
unconsciousness, they dragged him up and down the range for the
prisoners to sce. Then they told each prisoner that they were next.
In the midst of this terror and mayhem, some of the prisoners of
the unit yelled distress calls out of their cell windows at the passing
prisoners in general population.

Shortly thereafrer, 1 and [Ed i of prisoners’ names omitted] went to the
captain’s office and demanded that we be allowed to see the injured
prisoncr. The captain refused to reason with us, and instead sprayed
us with mace. In response, we stabbed several guards. Some of the
guards who were stabbed were critically wounded out of necessity

We then proceeded to J-cell house, where we took guards as hos-
tages, thercin as self-protection. After barricading ourselves, we then
contacted the press and entered into negotiations with the prison-
crats. The main issue of course was the history of brutality at Indiana
Reformatory. After 17 hours, an agreement was reached: we were o
release the hostages and submit a list of cases to be investigated by
the US. Justice Department. The feds did interview the cases but they
dida't pussue the criminal prosecution of any one. The injured prisoner
won $50,000 settlement as a result of his eivi ights being violated.

In June of 1991, I was transferred from LSP to the new Westville
Control Unit (WCU), aka the Maximum Control Complex (MCC). Al-
though the unit had capacity to house 224 prisoners, when I arrived
there were only 35 of us all together. WCU had officially opened in
April of 1991, and was designed to mimic the US. Federal Penitentiary
Super Max Unit in Marion, Illinois.

T and the other 34 prisoners assigned to WCU were supposed to be
the worst of the worst—but were we really? If the truth be told, the
prisoncrats and their agents really label us as being the most predatory
and dangerous prisoners in the system to justify holding us at WCU.
Some of us were assigned there for filing lawsuits, identifying with
revolutionary politics, or our belief in non-Christian religions. Others
were assigned for other vindictive purposes.

On a routine bias, we were treated inhumanely. For instance, upon our
arsival we were subject to solitary confinement for extended periods
of time, kept alone in our cells with minimal contact with other pris-
oners or the outside world. There were no visits from our family and
friends for the first 90 days, no radio or TV privileges, our bed had
to be made by Sam every morning, etc. If not, we were stripped out.
What we read was censored by the director of the WCU. We were not
permitted to holler from cell to cell. Most of the estrictions imposed
on us were petty and irrational.

“The security measures weze extreme and over-cxaggerated. For in-
stance, it was a requitement that our peeson be searched when we came
out of our cell for recreation and shower. The searches we endured
were actually molestation. A lot of prisoners were so humiliated by this
act, that they refused to come out of their cells for recreation or show-
ers. To add insult to injury, the water at WCU was so toxic that a lot

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of prisoners couldn't dink ir. The consensus among the majority of
s on WCU was that the condiions were odious and oppressive and
nceded to be challenged, but how that could be done wasn't yet clear.

In August of 1991, after discussing various options, T and [Ed: it of
prisoners” names omitted) decided that the best way to draw attention to
out plight was to go on 2 hunger strike. But, before we began starving
our bodies, we had to first notify our family members and friends so
they could help explain to the media and print why we were doing what
we did. [Pritoner K] deserves the majority of the credit for organizing
out hunger strike because he was the one who coordinated the inside
actions with the outside support.

On September 23, 1991, sixteen of us went on a hunger strike. Seven
of the guys only went on a one day strike to show solidarity. But T and
[Ed: st of prisoners’ names omitted] vesbally committed ourselves for at
least 2 weeks.

The director, Charles Wright (who we referred to as Charley Wrong),
didu't take us seriously. As a matter of fact, he went around to the the
cells and told [Prisoner L] to his face that he'd be the first one to crack.
He told [Prisoner L] that he wouldn't even last a week. Charley Wrong’s
words actually motivated [Prisoner L] to do something he had no idea
he was capable of doing, Our hunger strike was supported by outside
organizations such as the Alkebu Lan Umoja Institute out of Fort
Wayne, the Indiana Coalition for Human Rights, and the Interdenomi-
national Minister Alliance, etc.

After 14 days, [Prisoner M) came off his hunger strike. T came off after
18 days (because T had/have allergic reactions to the water, T was forced
to drink milk to stay hydrated, and so technically I was consuming
nutrients); [Prisoner N] came off his strike after 20 days, [Prisoners O &
] ended their strikes after 30 days. At that point, the prisoncrats were
forced to go to the courts and get orders of temporary guardianship
which would have allowed them to force feed intravenously and nasally
the remaining four hunger strikers. After 37 days, [Ed: it of prisoners’
names omittd) ended their hunger strike as well. At the time, 37 days was

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the longest recorded hunger strike in modern history. We generated
5o much publicity and notoriety. As a result of this hunger strike, the
ACLU. was embarrassed and forced to represent us in a class action,
lawsuit challenging our conditions of confinemeat at WCU.

To sum this up, over the past 30 years, whatever daring militant acts
of protest activity challenging prisoners’ conditions of confinement
were organized by Black prisoners. However, during the hunger strike
in particular, white prisoners such as [Ed: it of prisoners” names omitted)
demonstrated their metdle.

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interview with a comrade in
population

O:What was your state of mind or political stance when you first en-
tered prison?

I: Well when I first entered prison, T was a lumpen. That's a Marxist
term for a person that really wasn't concerned with the political
atmosphere or things of that nature. I mean, I really didn't care
about that stuff. 1 guess when it came down to i, I was living ke an
artisan, working off of the barter system, getting lost in one of the
subeultures of capitalism. But, T would lean to the left on different
issues if you asked me direetly. T knew something was wrong, but
1 couldn't articulate and I didn't really care to. I was against the
Ronald Reagans and George Bush Seniors, and stuff like that that
was affecting the American urban communities.

O:What was the process of your politicization like?

I: Prior to my incarceration, I grew up in a household where reading
was a requirement of my step-father and mother, so T used to read
alot. My step-father—I wouldn't say he was a super political dude,
but he had his views, particularly in the black power movement,
looking at figures like Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. This
sort of gave me an idea to start with. As well, growing up in the
Flint, Michigan and Detroit areas, there was a level of political con-
sciousness in the air, whether you wanted to engage it or not. And
obviously, T guess, at 22 when I came to prison T had chosen not to

engage with it

And then it was hip-hop, early 80s hip-hop. You had “Fight the
Power”, you know, Public Enemy; you had Ice Cube that came out
in the late 80s with Americas Most Wanted, and he said lines like
“They wanna sweep brothers like me up under the rug/ kicking shit
called street knowledge/ why more niggas in the pen than in col-
lege?/ Now cause of that line I might be your cellmate/ and that's
from the nigga ya love to hate” And so I can see there’s something

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wrong, you know, my rap idols are talking about it. But when it
came down to it, | just had to deal with society, with my life.

S0 you see, these seeds were in my head already but I wasn't able to
act on them. T was just living life, caught in a subeulture of capital-
ism. Eventually through that, I ended up being caught for a crime
1 didn't commit. So I think that’ really where the biggest catalyst
for my political consciousness came from. Cause I'm like “Dama,
P'min a situation, in a trial before coming to prison, for a crime [
didu't commir” and I start looking at the politics and the policies,
and T start o realize how the three branches of government actually
work.

So, 1 entered the prison doors, after being falsely convicted, and
my political consciousness had already been sparked. And I was
listening now; T was listening and looking, looking for answers and
solutions, stemming from my own situation. So I guess its true
when they say that people dos't accept resolutions unil they show
up on their doorstep. And I'm a good example of that, in my devel-
opment and thinking,

: Once you entered prison, then, and you were looking for these
things or more aware of these things, what sort of political atmo-
sphere, positive and negative, did you encounter?

: When I first got on the inside, P'm searching, ' looking for ev-
erything, I'm hungry. And at first, my springboard to learning was
that hip-hop side. You know, I was listening to Tupac and he'd say
something about Machiavell and T'd think “Who is Machiavelli?”
S0, T'd go and Id read it, I'd learn about . Then Id move on, Id
read Sun Tzu or something.

‘Then I'd bump into other prisoners who were conscious, and they
would really cling to me because even though I was fresh from the
street and didt have no formal education or college, I could retain
information and talk about what T had read in a real organized and
clear fashion. And so they were really gravitating to me, showing

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me diffetent materials and such that T wasn't accustomed o, like
books different books on culture and politics, particularly from a
black liberation standpoint. Even though I was still in conflict with
these ideas, cause I was a lumpen like 1 told you, T began slowly
to engage with and embrace these ideas as they related to my own
situation.

And when it came down to i, the conflict I was having was that I
didn't want to believe, at first, that it was racial politics that were at
play in my case. But after a while, I was exposed to certain materials
that showed the racialized ways the system work, and T began to sec

my case in that light.

After a while I was introduced to the economics too, Karl Marx
and Adam Smith and the other prominent economists and soci-
ologists, 5o to speak. I began to understand that the racism wasn't
seally about pure hatred, that it about economics, about resources
and wealth. And this is when I began to sec how my situation was
brought forth. You know, I was a lumpen, T was just like cattle or
Something, just a number, going through the line and being fed into
this thing called the Prison-Industrial Complex (PIC). T was just
fresh slop in the trough for the PIC.

0:Did you feel supported, did you find people to help you along in
this process of learning, or was it a necessasily individual process
given the condifions?

I: Well, I think the process can fanction in two regards. One, if you
got that idea that you wanna learn, you got the bug so to speak, you
will go out and find the information. Secondly, the information will
start coming to you. I mean, T would approach these more con-
scious brothers for information. Eventually they just started leaving
materials on my bed, books and such. So that was a supportive

group, there.

But, for the most par, coming to prison in 1999, that prison culture
had a lot of residue from stuff that happened in the 80s and 90s.

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You know, the prison code with the Convict and the Inmate, which
are analogous to the Field Slave and House Slave. These cats, the
ones reaching to me, they definitely was convicts. It didn’t mater if
you were white or Black, it was about being a convict, about com-
ing together because we had a common encmy, the prisoncrat, the
warden, the people actively oppressing you. That was the culture T
came into. So, it was a little bit of both, a litle bit of me having the
individual drive, mostly because of my case, and a litdle bit of the
residues of that convict consciousness culture that embraced me.

0:50 as you're starting to talk about it here, ' curious of what the
political climate was like in the late 90s/ early 00s as you experienced
it, and how it has changed over the past 12 or 13 years.

T: Wow, so yeah, entering the system in 98 up till now, its definitely a
different prison now. The biggest undesmining factor to the culture
that existed back then is capitalism, is the growth of the PIC. It
seally started extending itself to different corporations for money
gain, for profit. What really changed the mentality then was com-
ing in there were these residues, and I say residues specifically, of
the 80s and 90s solidarity amongst prisoners when dealing with the
prison administration.

So what happened was the proliferation of lock-up units. And T
did’t know this at the time, but *ades like [Fid it of prisoners” names
onitted].... They created these places like the MCC and the SHU to
suppress the political and social progressive consciousness prison-
ers had. And 5o they being suppressed, and by the time I came in in
99, T could only see small residues of this mentaliy.

You know, I would see some things, like we would have 3 tempo-
raty boyeott of the commissary when they raise the prices or we'd
stop using the phone for a weck or something. And even though
these actions were defeated because of this lack of discipline, this
still was something, and there were some demonstrations that were
successful. As time went on, and as I looked at what was going

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on, T realized that [ was really in a very vulnerable place, cause what T
wanted was an active discipline culture that resisted the PIC and the
advancement of docile prisoner culture.

There was this scene in 2001 where there was a prison tiot that exupt-
ed in Wabash Valley Correctional Facility. Tn this, blacks and whites
and Latins were all on the same team because these guards were being
S0 oppressive across the board. They were being so oppressive and
controlling that it turned into a powder keg and it exploded in they
face.

And this is when I realized I was vulnerable, that T was living in a
glass house the whole time. When this happened, prisoners across the
whole range were saying things while we were locked up like “Hey,
you better tell em who done it, you better tell em, cause I ain't gonna
be on lockdown for nobody.” And the next day internal affairs came
through doing interviews, and people started disappearing to the Se-
cure Housing Unit. I start thinking of this breakdown, thinking to
myself “Man, 'm in prison, this shit is REAL you know, where I
come from, from the inner city with urban culture, you would think
prison is real, in the hip-hop sense of “keeping i real” And you think
all these guys in prison are “keeping it real” to the realest, you know,
some of the best of the best, survival of the fittest. But those illu-
sions were shattered, cause these guys weren', it wasn't real, they told
on these guys.

And turns out I was lied on and made out to be part of this situation,
and I ended up being carted off to the SHU also. And now on the
SHU, if's a different situation. I'm sitting here looking at the prison
population and T didn't get no love from population, nobody on the
case really did, no one in population was standing up for us, trying to
bype for us, doing stuff for us. Once we went to the SHU, we were
out of sight out of mind, kinda like the rest of society treats prison-
ers in general. But, while on the SHU I met a bunch of prisoners
who were more politically conscious, which is probably a result of
the situation there, being able to read and write and talk to lots of
like-minded people.

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0:As an expansion of the previous question, were there outside influ-
ences or matesials from the outside that you worked with extensive-
Iy in your political education or, again, was it an internal process?

1: Well, honestly, while T was in population I had absolutely no contact
‘with any progressive groups in society: No prison reform, no reli-
gious or no political groups; I dida't have any connection o them.
However, 1 was introduced to some pamphlets written by fellow
prisoners, some at Wabash Valley, who were putting it down against
the death penalty, against the atrocities committed in lockup units,
etc. T seen that stuff and that started to inspire me, for sure.

But by the time I got to lockup, I got exposed to more progressive,
grassroots groups, different prison reform groups and I bumped
into the Books Through Bars groups. Indiana Prisoner Voices,
which is an old publication; I was reading a couple of those. And
that sort of stuff kinda inspired me to keep growing. But for the
most part, most of my political education came from some of the
older prisoners T was around, who saw the potential in my thoughts
and what T was trying to do with my case and helped me to see what
was going on, what was at play.

Over the course of my time, since ‘99, there hasn’t been no particu-
laz group, no outside group, with any influence. There’s just bits and
pieces here and there, with not much going on. Honestly, the folks
in Bloomington and the stuff they've been doing have had, at least
for me, the most profound impact in this time period. I mean, even
Indiana CURE, they shoot stuff through, but it just don't con-
nect with anybody, with the average prisoner who?s living behind
the walls of oppression everyday.

O:What sorts of ways did you or did you see people struggling against
their conditions on a day-to-day basis?

T: Well, you kno, you get people on the micro-level in Indiana pris-
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‘might get a group of guys who campaign and get together to write the
commissioner. Fo instance, me and [Prisoners A & B] had put together
aletter writing campaign to the warden to get them to turn on the heat
in the SHU, as they were trying to freeze us out. But beyond that sort
of stuff, it nothing There's not any resistance here anymore!

Its a whole different type of prisoner these days. And it not neces-
saily the prisoners’ fault cither, not like its a different breed of person
o something innate to them; it’s the way the system has responded to
them. Here in Indiana, we got this prisoner named [Prironer C] who has
been made a precedent, because he spoke out against the conditions
in the 80s; he was outspoken and he even came to the point of an
uprising His fellow comrade was in trouble, the police was harassing
him, down in Pendleton, and he came to his comrade’s defense, and it
sparked an uprising.

As a result of this, that the administration put him in solitary confine-
‘ment, and they kept him there since 19851 26 years in solitary confine-
ment! He's the message to the other prisoners: “You don't wanna get
together, you don't wanna have solidarity with each other, cause if you
do, we gonna do you like we did [Priner C], we're gonna keep you in
solitary confinement for years”” And right now they playing me as the
new precedent, you know, talking like, “Look what they did to finter-
vieweee] man, they put him in the SHU for 10 years for doing nothing!
But, you know, he was back there being an activist, alking that radical
stuff, that's why they kept him there”

‘This is what's on guys’ minds these days, because of these precedents
of locking people up in solitary for so long. Even today as I write this
t0 you about this subject, here at Pendleton Correctional Facility, these
people are being treated the worst, but ain't no one speaking out.
1o onel It becoming a new culture of docile prisoners, for real. It 2
shame, because I sit here as a progressive prisoner and person, and |
got to be careful not to be singled out, cause I know the administration
is already watching me because of my activities. But,if it comes down
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O:What are some of the other factors that have led to or facilitated
this culture of docility amongst prisoners?

I: T think one of the biggest factors in this regard came in when they
switched up, switched back the level classification of prisons. You
know, prisoners in Level 4 being in with prisoners in Level 2 and 3.
Now you have prisoners that have 3-5 years to go home in the same
place, on the same range, as people who are serving lifel When you
got prisoners who are gonna go home, their interests are differeat
from someone who's never gonna go home. They be like “Hey,
whoa, hold up, T ain't gonna get involved in any of that, 'm gonna
g0 home.” And that simple dynamic has undermined a lot of the
potential resistance that could have occurred over the last 10 years.
That is one of the biggest factors.

But recently they started mixing the Level 4 back together, Level
35 and 25 back together. So this'l be a testament to this idea, to
see if when you get a concentration of guys doing a lot of time in
the same place, if the levels of struggle and solidarity come back
too. Because they know, “We're hete for the long haul, we gotta
set the tone. If we let them do us like this, they just gonna run us
over forever.” But whea you had the other guys in the mis, it zeally
undermined the whole process of solidarity and consolidating each
other's efforts to stop some of this oppression.

O:What role do you see outside supporters playing in efforts to cither
join in struggle or aid prisoners in coming together or communicat-
ing with each other?

T: 1 think its very, very significant, its a simple aspect, but ifs a pro-
found one also. When you got people in society who are watching,
who are aiding and assisting prison resistance, it makes the struggle
of inmates more validated in the cyes of the prison administration,
and has effects on the whole PIC. Also, this helps motivate the
prisoner himself, because he feels like there’s somebody out there
that really cares, and that’s a big thing!

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However, i the last 5 years, you got all these new things popping
up like Facebook. Facebook s a phenomenal establishment for so-
cial networking, Right now ifs up to roughly 750 million people,
and its growing cveryday. And because of these social networks,
with technology evolving and society evolving, people are so caught
up in this “interneting” and texting and such, and people no longer
wanna write and connect up. They don't want to make genuine con-
nections with anybods, let alone a lowly person in prison.

So for the people who are out there in society, really fighting for
prison reform or humanity in prison in general, when they reach
out to prisoners in a zcal way, i’s a really powerful thing; You know,
once a prisoner gets to thinking that there’s nobody out there on the
outside, its really easy for him to become unmortivated. So its very,
very important that the supports on the outside come together and
make personal connections with the prisoners. Only then will the
prisoner begin to fecl connected to something larger, to the world,
and vis-versa for the supporter in regards to the prison. Without
that, support is nothing, And that's what P'm feeling nowadays, the
detetioration of those types of relationships between supporters,
activist organizations and prisoners. The st decade, it really been

going under.

0:Can you describe some specific moments of rupture that you've,

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experienced, perhaps the uprising in Wabash Valley in 20017

I: Well, on August 21st 2001, ironically Black August as George Jack-
son has become synonymous with, there was a riot that happened
at Wabash Valley. The catalyst for this riot was this correctional
officer who came in carly, doing her shift, doing her walk. And
prisoners had taped over the light and taped over the windows, just
50 they could have enough darkness to o to sleep. And she came
through banging on every door in Gcell house, G-left cell house,
yelling at everybody to take that shit down. In this cell house, there
Wee approximately 88 prisoners in each side. And she went to each
and every cell, all 44 cells, and woke everyone up.
When we came out for breakfast (which beakfast was scrved in the
day room of the cell house, just brought over from the kitchen o be
heated up there), you could hear the discontent. There was a lot of
yelling, a lot of slurs being thrown out, so much so that the guards
came over and said, “You all better keep it down or we gonna go on
Tockdown.” Well, the prisoners didn't do nothing, they weat back in
there like it was nothing I remember, cause I was frustrated too. But
we just weat back to our cells and just continued the regular routine
in prison.

And then when we came out for afternoon rec (which would've been
like 1 or 2 pm I believe), the same CO that had gone around waking
everybody up that morning was shaking down a white prisoner by the
name of [Prisoner D]. And I heard this prisoner saying to her, “Why
you shaking me dow, why you keep fucking with us, you don't have
anything better to do? Why don't you just go home? Why aze you so
‘miserable?” And some other prisoners had a talk with him, telling him
that they're on some really petty shit today, maybe you should just calm
down and let it go. But he wasn't having it, he was being real adamant
about his rights, which T understand completely. T mean, they were
going into his cell rifling through his property for nothing. And so he
kept his indignant stance, and we all understood it. And so the doors
opened for rec, we went out to the yard and did our routine, working,
out and such. And less than 20 minutes into rec, we saw that same
prisoner being drug by a group of officers, all beat up and bloodied,
looked like he was only semi-conscious.

And that really sparked a lot of anger, collective anger stemming from
what this CO had done already today and from all of the oppressive
maneuvers of lock down for petty shit that we had gone through lately.
It really brought that collective anger together. And even though [Pris-
oner D] was a Caucasian prisoner, you had lots of African American
prisoners, Latino prisoners who were really feeling his plight for what
they had done to him. There became this sort of consensus amongst
these different racial groups, on the yard that we had to come together.
We got together and we falked about it, but nothing really happened.
And honestly, T was with it, 1 was angry and ready to go and get these

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guards back cause I too was fed up, but nothing happened. It seemed
like we were waiting on the elders or the so called “old Gs” to make
they move, but nobody done it when we were on rec. So because of
that, me and a lot of others got exhausted on the idea, and everybody
went back to the cell house and went to take a shower.

Whille I was taking a shower, I see this range guard getting assaulted by
white, African American, and Latino prisoners. Then all of 2 sudden I
see the female guard from carlier heading out towards the melee yelling
“Hey, you sons-a-bitches, you stop this! You get off him.” And then
this Caucasian dude comes up and hits her in the mouth, pow! Drop
to the floor, she fell down with blood pousing out of her mouth. A
couple of scconds go by and she gets back up and staggers towards
the wall with her walkie talkie, calling “1010, emergency, we need help
now!” and she gets dropped again by another white inmate. She gets
back up quicker this time and stasts calling the emergency more franti-
cally. And in 2 matter of time, the COs finally rally up, and they subdue
the melee and the prisoners end up back in their cells

On that paticular day, they really showed their force, they looked
like a paramilitary group coming through there. They probably had 40
officers that marched in, full riot gear and big guns. I don't know if
the guns had bullets o some sort of bean bag or something, but they
Iooked like real guns to me. They also had a bunch of dogs with them.
And they went around checking everybody’s hands to see who may
have been involved. Before the night's end, there were 4 or 5 prisoners
taken immediately to the SHU.

As the weeks passed, there were prisoners yelling things like “T want
to get off lockdown! If you all know who done this you all better
tell” And like I said, Internal Affairs came through pulling people out
of their cells for questioning And in that process, I think, you had a
bunch of prisoners who had snitched on other prisoners or just made
up lies about the situation. Time passed, and eventually they let us off
lockdown. And me personally, by October me and my cellmate at the,
time were attending GED classes at the time, just going to school,
attending classes. As I thought back on it, I wasn't thinking “Wow, it

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really went down,” you know, it wasn't no Attica or anything

So 1 went on with my incarceration, thinking about my case, going
to school, staying out of the way so to speak. And so I was in col-
lege study classes in early November that year when guards rushed in
the class, apprehended me and took me dircely to the SHU. Later T
was informed that a Confidential Informant (CI) had stated that I had
started it, that I had assaulted one of the guards. And the disciplinary
hearing board found me guilty on the word of the CI, even though the
officer that I allegedly assaulted testified that it was a white inmate who,
was beating on him, and they took me to the SHU for a year. Upon
getting out of the SHU after a year, the next November, I was taken
diectly to Administative Segregation, which was a different part of
the SHU, and I was there for the next 9 years. That was the biggest sort
of disturbance that T had experienced personally

‘The other big uprising that has happened in the past decade, that had
effects across the system, was the Arizona prisoners in Newcastle, In-
diana in 2007. These prisoners from Arizona were exported to New-
castle Prison because of overcrowding in that state, to do they time
here. What T heard was that the Arizona prisoners were really upset
about the rules, that you couldst smoke, about all the commissary
rules and such, and so they started rioting, They just tore it up, they
tore up a muldi-million dollar faciliy in just a matter of minutes.

Some of the individuals who were responsible for starting it,allegedly,
they were sent to the SHU. But, because of they solidarity and strength,
when they came to the SHU, they tore it up too. And at that point the
Indiana officials figured they would cut they losses and they just sent
the prisoners back to Arizona. T don’t know if they were eventually
made to pay for damages or had time lost, or what happened. Those
are the two things that really stand out to me in the last 10 years.

Other than that, you've just got a ot of gang banging, lots of prisoner
on prisoner violence, or sporadic instances of a prisoner assaulting
guard. But these acts don't have any sort of political or social critique
behind them, theyre just random acts, reactionary violence. It really

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scems like the prisoncrats have suppressed the political conscious-
ness and collective struggle of Indiana inmates over the last 10
years.

: What's interesting to note in this story you told about the 2001

incident is that it seems like the inifial actions were based on a sense
of solidarity amongst inmates, particulaly with the one prisoner
being beaten up and bloodied, but once the actions had occurred,
that solidarity all but disappeared.

: Yeah, that’ true, thats very interesting that you bring that up. Be-

cause it was like that, is every once in awhile you'll see this glimpse
of solidasity that exists, but once that's gone, i’ every man for
himself again. [ do think that the culture, the situation of every-
body being so divided... when I look at the process of everyone
becoming divided and submissive, rally do think the biggest con-
tributing factor is the mixing up of levels. It really takes the wind
out of a movement. If you've got the majority of people in your
group saying “No, I don't got time for that, 'm gonna go home,”
it really takes the morale out of the whole collective engagement.

What could change this, T think, is maybe a small group of pris-
oners who are conscious and equipped with teaching techniques
and materials, while at the same time able to stay low key, under
the radar of the administration and the agent provocateurs, 5o to
speak. Cause there are a lot of guys in population working for 14;
you know, they get busted with some wine or something and they
Say, “Whoa, whoa, just give me a lttle bit of time, Il get you some.
information.” Thete’s a lot of prison intelligence running rampant
through the collective of Indiana prisoners. But I think a group of
prisoners who can deal with that, who can bring forth they con-
sciousness and let people know this shit is for real, in concert with
dedicated individuals in society who are for real, who say what they
mean and do what they say, those two elemeats within themselves
will produce a great deal of change. Other prisoners will see that
these individuals are for real and the people they’re connected with
on the outside are for real, they'e really gonna do shit. Nowadays

people just wants the results. They don't want the process of how
you got the results, they just want the results—ok, he's winning,
he's winning ” they don't want to know how he won, they just wanna
know that he's winning.

O:1n that regard, in what sort of specific ways do you feel like shows
of support from the outside would be beneficial? Are you talking
about solidarity actions, distribution of materials, setting up net-
works of communication or anything clsc>

1: Wel, really T think it’s a combination of them all. T think the dis-
tribution of progressive matesials, genuine connections being built
with certain prisoners that’s doing the work and also a public show
of solidasity out there for certain issues. For example, in July this
past year, at Pendleton, there was a prisoner that was murdered
here, allegedly an Aryan Brotherhood member, and his alleged at-
tacker was a Latin. And he was killed, he was stabbed to death.
‘They ended up putting the whole state on lockdown. Now a radical
group, supporting and aiding prison struggle, if they had gone to
downtown Indianapolis, to the IDOC headquarters, and protested,
and said to the DOC, “All these other prisoners on lockdown, you
need to let them off lockdown. Why they got to be punished, why
can't they families visit them, why can't they go to recreation, why
are they deprived from the law library?” If a group of people had
done that, it would have had a big impact in here, cause it would
have made the news. And once they had seen that, it would have
made a certain portion of the prisoner collective, particularly the
lumpen, more confident in what they’ze doing to change the condi-
tions around here. Without that visual of support, a lot of these
prisoners can't get with you, they think yowe just a fall guy. And
they don’t want to ball with you, they dor't want no part of being
afall gy,

0:50, 25 a note, sort of in summary of what I see you writing here,
even purely symbolic actions, actions that the people engaged in
them know their goals won't be met, those sorts of things are stll
important visually as inspiration and as backup?

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OF course, there’s no question about that. No question about that
at all. Symbolic actions are important. Over the last ten years, |
can't name hardly any symbolic actions that have been made in the
“name of the collective”. Its something that’s really lacking T think
it would, in fact, make a sigaificant difference in the docile mental-
ity that’s rampant today in Indiana prisons.
appendix a

list of court cases mentioned in the second interview

~Wilkinson v. Austin 125 S.Ct. 2384 deals with procedral due process

~Faverv. Bayh 689 NE2d 727 (Ind. App. 1997) deals with equal protection
~Piggie v McBride 277 F3d 922 (CA 7 (Ind.) 2002) deals with du process
~Smith v Stoner 594 F. Supp. 1091 (NLD. Ind. 1984) deals it d process

~Mathews v. Eldridge 96 S.Ct. 893 (US. Va. 1976) deals with procedural
due process

-Heckler v. Mathews 104 S.Ct. 1387 (US. Ala. 1984) deals with equal
treatment

Wolff v. McDonnell 94 S.Ct. 2963 (1974) deals with procedural du process
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Koch v. Lewis 216 ESupp2d 994 (D. Ariz. Sept 20, 2001) deals with
being labeld a gang member

Delaney v. Detella 256 F:3d 679 (CA 7 (ILL.) 2001) deals with lockdown
and your right o bave exerise

Meriwether v. Faulkner 821 2d 408 (CA 7 (Ind) 1987) deals with
indefiite segreation

“Sandin v. Conner 115 S.Ct. 2293 (US. Hawail 1995) deals with you
baving fo establish an atypical and signifcant hardship before you can challenge
segrogation

“Thornburgh v. Abbott 109 S.Ct. 1874 (1989) deals with your right 10
communicate with the ontsde wordd.

“Procunicr v. Martinez 94 S.Ct. 1800 (1974) deals with your righ 1o com-
rnicate with the outside worl,

“Smith v. Farley 858 ESupp. 806 (N.D. Ind. 1983) finding siolation of
prisoners”due proces rights sbere be was nof alowed 10 adit a potentially excul-
patory lete inio evidence in absense of securiy reasons for such denial

“Hoptowit v. Spellman 753 F2d 779 (9th Cir. 1985) bolding that hazard-
ous work environment, inadequate fighting, plimbing, fire safety, ventlation and
sermin infestation evuld constitute inbuomans conditions

“Ramos v. Lamn 639 F2d 559 (10th Circ. 1980) holding that a state
st provide prisoners with reasonably adeguate food, clothing, sheler, sanitation,
medical care and personal safy as to avoid he imposition of cruel and wnsual
pnishment

“French v. Owens 777 F2d 1250 (7th Citc. 1985) holding that overcrowd-

ing, medical eglct and filure o protet inmates from threts 10 safty violated the
8tb amendment

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~Spain v. Procunier 600 F:2d 189 (9th Circ. 1979) the denial of fresh air
and regular outdoor exercise and recreation constitutes cruel and wmusual purish-
ment

~Turner v. Safley 482 USS. 78 finding that prison regulations that affc consti-
sutional rights can only be upheld i they hae a rationalconnection 10 @ leitimate
gorernment interst

~Wilson v Seiter 111 S.Ct. 2321 (1991) some conditions of confinement
may establish an 81h amendment violation in combination when each would not
do 5o alone, but only when they have a madually exforcing ofct that prodces the
deprivation of a single, identifable human need such as food, warmth or exercise

-Monroe v. Pape 81 S.Ct. 473 (1961) bolding that offials who vilate rights

by adting ilkgally or abusing their authority are acting under color of state
nder §1983

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appendix b

map of all prisons in Indiana

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